From: Daniel Campbell <lists@sporkbox.us>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and kernel developers cooperating to turn it into a global cgroup manager?
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 06:18:24 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5263BC00.9080208@sporkbox.us> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5263B854.8050505@googlemail.com>
On 10/20/2013 06:02 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> Am 20.10.2013 12:52, schrieb Daniel Campbell:
>> On 10/20/2013 04:24 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>>> Am 20.10.2013 08:34, schrieb Daniel Campbell:
>>>> hm, Redhat is one of the companies investing the most money into linux
>>>> kernel, userland, graphics... if you 'don't trust them' you are pretty
>>>> much 20 years too late.
>>>> Investing money does not make them any more qualified or deserving of
>>>> making decisions. Red Hat is not the sole user of Linux. They should
>>>> consider themselves lucky that they are even able to profit from
>>>> something that's free.
>>>>
>>>> You're right, though. They've been around for a while, and I've never
>>>> trusted them or any other corporate interest in *nix. There's always a
>>>> catch when dealing with a business.
>>>>
>>> 'have been around for a while' - replace that with 'are financing more
>>> core developers than anybody else'.
>>>
>> That's less reason to trust, not more. That's like citing the popularity
>> of something as proof of its quality, when oftentimes it's the exact
>> opposite that's true.
>>
>> So they spend a lot of money hiring developers. The more important
>> question is what is their agenda? What do they tell those developers to
>> *make*? You don't hire people without a business plan in mind.
>>
>>
> without Redhat, there would be no linux. gnu software would be massively
> lacking and X would be without drivers.
>
> So calm down.
>
Linux was created and released in 1991, built with GNU tools. Red Hat
didn't come along until 1993. Linux and GNU would both still be here;
their quality without Red Hat involvement is speculative at best.
I maintain that motives matter more than money and that they (motives)
should continually be audited, especially when receiving contributions
from a company. They may already be; I don't know.
Re: drivers, do you expect me to believe Red Hat is responsible for
every X11 driver out there? How many of this list?[1] What of radeon and
nouveau? nvidia's own driver? xf86-input-wacom (and linuxwacom)[2]? I'm
sure Red Hat has contributed plenty to X11, but your statement is
flat-out false.
[1]: http://www.usinglinux.org/x11-drivers/
[2]: http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/linuxwacom/
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-10-20 11:18 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-10-18 4:27 [gentoo-user] systemd and kernel developers cooperating to turn it into a global cgroup manager? Mark David Dumlao
2013-10-19 15:02 ` Daniel Campbell
2013-10-19 23:35 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-10-20 6:34 ` Daniel Campbell
2013-10-20 7:37 ` Samuli Suominen
2013-10-20 9:24 ` Daniel Campbell
2013-10-20 9:55 ` Samuli Suominen
2013-10-20 10:47 ` Daniel Campbell
2013-10-20 13:02 ` Samuli Suominen
2013-10-20 14:01 ` Tanstaafl
2013-10-20 14:03 ` Samuli Suominen
2013-10-21 2:34 ` Walter Dnes
2013-10-21 5:31 ` Daniel Campbell
2013-10-21 7:34 ` Samuli Suominen
2013-10-21 7:33 ` Samuli Suominen
2013-10-20 14:05 ` Samuli Suominen
2013-10-23 22:51 ` [gentoo-user] " Steven J. Long
2013-10-24 3:48 ` Daniel Campbell
2013-10-20 9:24 ` [gentoo-user] " Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-10-20 10:52 ` Daniel Campbell
2013-10-20 11:02 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-10-20 11:18 ` Daniel Campbell [this message]
2013-10-21 20:33 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-10-22 8:43 ` Daniel Campbell
2013-10-20 14:42 ` Tanstaafl
2013-10-21 1:14 ` Mark David Dumlao
2013-10-21 9:55 ` Tanstaafl
2013-10-21 10:11 ` Mark David Dumlao
2013-10-21 10:27 ` Tanstaafl
2013-10-21 10:48 ` Mark David Dumlao
2013-10-21 10:59 ` Tanstaafl
2013-10-21 11:10 ` Mark David Dumlao
2013-10-21 11:53 ` Tanstaafl
2013-10-21 20:34 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
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