From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36DA51381F3 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2013 15:03:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 317A9E0AD6; Sat, 19 Oct 2013 15:03:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mahal.bihira.com (mahal.bihira.com [67.159.5.243]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 30C45E0AA2 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2013 15:03:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 54.70-40-233.netnet.net ([70.40.233.54]:56065 helo=[192.168.1.144]) by mahal.bihira.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1VXY3A-00063a-2L for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Sat, 19 Oct 2013 15:02:47 +0000 Message-ID: <52629F15.1050803@sporkbox.us> Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 10:02:45 -0500 From: Daniel Campbell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130921 Thunderbird/17.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and kernel developers cooperating to turn it into a global cgroup manager? References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OutGoing-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - mahal.bihira.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lists.gentoo.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - sporkbox.us X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: mahal.bihira.com: authenticated_id: lists@sporkbox.us X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Archives-Salt: a88cca3d-c287-4c80-bd38-1bcb0980f963 X-Archives-Hash: 2c7b1b26e6d3ee35e9335c2d9e2db475 On 10/17/2013 11:27 PM, Mark David Dumlao wrote: > https://www.linux.com/news/featured-blogs/200-libby-clark/733595-all-about-the-linux-kernel-cgroups-redesign > > Not sure if I read that just right... but since nobody is doing cgroup > management besides systemd, in practice the cgroups implementation in > Linux wasn't very consistent. So since systemd is doing it, their work > is helping shape the kernel's cgroups api? > > Interesting... > >From my perspective it looks like systemd developers are trying to push their ideas into the kernel, almost like they intend to merge systemd *with* the kernel. If systemd is the only implementation of cgroups and their developers are working on cgroup support in the kernel, it spells calamity given their history of evangelism and zealotry. I truly wish I understood why a single userland program and its developers are being given the keys to an entire subsystem of the kernel. Their changes to udev have proven to be a headache for users, and the kernel is held to a much higher standard of stability and interoperability. In addition, the top-level developers of systemd (and GNOME, and the now-deprecated consolekit/polkit/udisks/etc) are employed by a for-profit company (Red Hat), which has a vested interest in shaping Linux as a platform. They and other corporations cannot be trusted with stuff like this... I'd like to see what Linus has to say about this if/when he finds out. He's not impressed with Sievers or Poettering. Personally I'd like to see them ostracized from the community and contained to their own distro, where they belong.