From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9EEF1381F3 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2013 08:36:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 991D9E0C01; Tue, 1 Oct 2013 08:36:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ye0-f178.google.com (mail-ye0-f178.google.com [209.85.213.178]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 96B68E0BA3 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2013 08:36:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ye0-f178.google.com with SMTP id m5so2072380yen.23 for ; Tue, 01 Oct 2013 01:36:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=kU5n9Ak6ME8Q21rqMYTL0g+NNTcLHBEm7GM6WOoMLWc=; b=yJZfUP1RfmXVMAutjLMJ6n6EI2dyMRJwu+Rr1MCS9ycPML3zWwYbcAx09+zSHj9P/N RbN/ZAh/PBGzwDCKYuCtCzNKYbP9jOtJ18NW7W0MaiKxnLaVFezKTU6EsKE69GZDeqi3 R7hew+L+Wd2lRXdd+hXuC+CgmYYgFhrBR7Wn/5ArU2QZgKqoMKxLCRZqZxUNY4a2BRQv L7EdImljBsDyvLhHEim6jupkVFHs1OAOZIz9yQFSTy+fdXj1Fg1n5TyLfUO4eI4HPepA FfwNWz6iJO0dFkkqz+YrdsGAxe4fKxZcbPfKeZoD0pYoJCkJAnwXal5VKP8EwYCUSNxq cW/Q== X-Received: by 10.236.37.105 with SMTP id x69mr28186582yha.15.1380616575814; Tue, 01 Oct 2013 01:36:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.11.12.102] ([50.124.179.76]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id e42sm7720412yhe.14.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 01 Oct 2013 01:36:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <524A897E.1010009@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2013 04:36:14 -0400 From: Greg Woodbury User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130807 Thunderbird/17.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] some of the stuff in /usr that's become a problem References: <5248DBDF.2070902@gmail.com> <5248E00D.6010006@sporkbox.us> <20130930031345.GA17815@linux1> <5248F2C2.9040301@sporkbox.us> In-Reply-To: <5248F2C2.9040301@sporkbox.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 195653f5-327a-4352-be0f-44a591dfb71c X-Archives-Hash: ef998b6ced80121163ba83d7014630a6 On 09/29/2013 11:40 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote: > You're right, though; it's a problem that lots of programs have. I > guess it's the natural result of modular software that has > interdependencies. You basically need *everything* available on boot. You don't need everything (obviously -- otherwise dracut/init* would not work) Only the things necessary to get the system bootstrapped. It occurs to me that anything dracut fetches from /usr/* to put in the initrd is the stuff that has caused the breakage. To me, the requirement for an initramfs/initrd is an admission of failure. Breaking the rules is what made it required. -- G.Wolfe Woodbury redwolfe@gmail.com