From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D04E81381F3 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 07:37:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A58C4E0BFD; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 07:36:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-we0-f180.google.com (mail-we0-f180.google.com [74.125.82.180]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 86DA6E0BE4 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 07:36:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-we0-f180.google.com with SMTP id u57so5192631wes.11 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 00:36:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/B07OYRD90S3jxRHeIGthGyXk2XDGReM5/juJRjn360=; b=qUH4Okc4v71sX1R9Nh2c+rNSBcsNgHnR+AHyGHeq6+dzYhzuz/bj9tI8VIyFuUHTnx /SoByqlDGaNm6NWT2odOaAkIjsk6GPzxzVfihVto1GJsb4OOnSiKSmpIebunJbZhVjiQ 6kUGXU1u3QodhJuJvP8vWaIz1ckt9l8y8MPkcjIgzl3BbNcWwTjWoVaIvZaYjmmo5HpG mRZwTQaBNfmE1Q2jLN9Uxj+SWODFfws4WLTMQTDKX+qGFL2bHMWuF55Ud45d7BrPiMrU d329Pp25joAz2YdHH8JkOilReFQUAid9IdjdlQ6jprE88dXI5pruurLiNCfezCteXDai l65w== X-Received: by 10.180.206.129 with SMTP id lo1mr12504957wic.15.1380526603206; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 00:36:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.1.20.197] (dustpuppy.is.co.za. [196.14.169.11]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id dq11sm23195958wid.3.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 30 Sep 2013 00:36:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <524928FC.10206@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 09:32:12 +0200 From: Alan McKinnon User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Flexibility and robustness in the Linux organisim References: <5246079E.7090406@gmail.com> <524761B4.60805@gmail.com> <20130929052937.GA30380@waltdnes.org> <201309290925.06893.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> <5247E4C2.5040502@gmail.com> <52480720.7070704@googlemail.com> <52480902.9040305@gmail.com> <52481602.6020305@googlemail.com> <52484363.7020309@gmail.com> <52484F5F.5090408@googlemail.com> <52485652.4060308@gmail.com> <5248828F.1000802@gmail.com> <52489E78.7020804@gmail.com> <5248A3F6.2020801@gmail.com> <52491ABA.1060003@coolmail.se> In-Reply-To: <52491ABA.1060003@coolmail.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 6788b64b-6c86-4f02-a0b2-727e5688c50f X-Archives-Hash: c864261761e1b9a54cbf772701a2e870 On 30/09/2013 08:31, pk wrote: > On 2013-09-30 00:04, Alan McKinnon wrote: > >> It's the general idea that you can leave /usr unmounted until some >> random arb time later in the startup sequence and just expect things to >> work out fine that is broken. >> >> It just happened to work OK for years because nothing happened to use >> the code in /usr at that point in the sequence. More and more we are >> seeing that this is no longer the case. > > So basically it wasn't broke before stuff started to use the code in > /usr. How isn't that breaking? > >> So no-one broke it with a specific commit. It has always been broken by >> design becuase it's a damn stupid idea that just happened to work by >> fluke. IT and computing is rife with this kind of error. > > If what you are saying is true then *everything* is broken "by design" > if something isn't available at boot time (may be /usr, may be /var or > whatever). I never mentioned /var at all. Go back and read again what I did write. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon@gmail.com