From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B0FD1381F3 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 03:41:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 571C0E0CAD; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 03:40:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mahal.bihira.com (mahal.bihira.com [67.159.5.243]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 134A7E0C94 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 03:40:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 118.70-40-235.netnet.net ([70.40.235.118]:44661 helo=[192.168.1.144]) by mahal.bihira.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1VQULp-0007vx-SY for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 03:40:54 +0000 Message-ID: <5248F2C2.9040301@sporkbox.us> Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 22:40:50 -0500 From: Daniel Campbell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130921 Thunderbird/17.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] some of the stuff in /usr that's become a problem References: <5248DBDF.2070902@gmail.com> <5248E00D.6010006@sporkbox.us> <20130930031345.GA17815@linux1> In-Reply-To: <20130930031345.GA17815@linux1> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OutGoing-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - mahal.bihira.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lists.gentoo.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - sporkbox.us X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: mahal.bihira.com: authenticated_id: lists@sporkbox.us X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Archives-Salt: a61db9b8-541c-45fd-9e71-48c0bac5e4a9 X-Archives-Hash: c3c5e063bbe81789e867a8dd5af01c23 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 09/29/2013 10:13 PM, William Hubbs wrote: > On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 09:21:01PM -0500, Daniel Campbell wrote: >>> /usr/lib/udev..... /usr/lib/systemd..... >>> >>> were both placed in /usr despite objections from a number of >>> folks. >>> >>> So claims that udev and systemd are not responsible are not >>> true. > > Udev is installed in / in gentoo. I am a co-maintainer of udev and > that was fixed quite some time back, it is the Gentoo systemd team > that installs their version of udev in /usr. > > Installing udev or eudev, however, doesn't really solve the issue > though, because it is possible to run arbitrary programs from > within udev rules. > > Another unrelated concern is if you install a program in / that > needs to access something in /usr/share, this will be broken by not > having /usr mounted. This means that, for example, the locale logic > of most software can't work without /usr since it accesses files in > /usr/share/locale. > > William > I believe you misquoted. Greg said those things; I was merely quoting him. :) You're right, though; it's a problem that lots of programs have. I guess it's the natural result of modular software that has interdependencies. You basically need *everything* available on boot. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.20 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSSPLCAAoJEJUrb08JgYgHFaEH/ietryULwNCbYdoLYFNJXoT1 vjecOzD0nKxY/dN26X5nZfBuuLkN/SARdrk/xqlp7Fw4UKEuP6XwcJWSoP2/o8t7 TxdlbqAAxNGytOpUlqZmJd53c3pivD11PS467Iy4UsRmpH0TbOerqESi9lR+X7bI OR6ghVpOqkBrNjwNtSREOHjApjQ6h451bGHW2rHUUbOlzoOZYiIBCxBxsCYc/fEc jS8LbNioj9BeipRFeIAqr+LPhpPDq7KE3EA/tcOb2WT5ro0yy6MAAdoBJSRKiFmI woSKmEWgFVAa6eGJjTmTRTJjra0L9EWcxHSRDBBNuJTsV1AfMR8stRPD6+FUkaE= =b8AN -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----