From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6057B1381F3 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 02:03:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3828CE0FB2; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 02:03:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qe0-f47.google.com (mail-qe0-f47.google.com [209.85.128.47]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2EC6CE0F3B for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 02:03:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qe0-f47.google.com with SMTP id b4so3329050qen.34 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2013 19:03:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=VDphKdBe+DVVdOhBs+HyDWfEm+VvNSKJbkm2TXAPrLA=; b=uRgujv4y3hu4nSRGHJC6W4xaJitE7n6hfe1foJwacULYPRjAGw4vaq3BKr0eZ0TtLt 6YjKuRv6id2hvjW9P2wY/sT/0tFS2V9fcoZJrmztUfjVnJEotVGYywMu67A8JIwrO+rR 0PQbonMnchwgQjYQYwhWpiO78AuBWCzSce2Dygbid7X9/fDiBnIO4DSC8bW4LhZk2rHN sax5ta2UDLFD11UOOPTKI8fk2A/WoWuDfJOdnFLzsyjyxVzrETpW/VoEbJ3Lviqlb28b Bh5SS6bso95B1OhztVcIYofe+rYmKgiukW2AVNe8GQ9pHajA0dkTR8FyAKSz60DmcrTL fEow== X-Received: by 10.224.125.4 with SMTP id w4mr10850496qar.75.1380506593380; Sun, 29 Sep 2013 19:03:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from onyx.private ([50.124.179.76]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id n10sm29075341qas.5.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 29 Sep 2013 19:03:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5248DBDF.2070902@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 22:03:11 -0400 From: Greg Woodbury User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130805 Thunderbird/17.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: [gentoo-user] some of the stuff in /usr that's become a problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 4a544626-28a1-4e82-b7a4-079383838cb5 X-Archives-Hash: 352be2ecd4719d4c06eee723fe53f36e One of the most obvious things that broke booting with a seperate /usr is not GNOMEs fault, but GRUB 2's fault. the move of /bin to /usr/bin (for things like cp,mv,ln,ls) came after the breakage of /usr, but is symptomatic of some distros cavalier attitudes to the problem. /usr/lib/udev..... /usr/lib/systemd..... were both placed in /usr despite objections from a number of folks. So claims that udev and systemd are not responsible are not true. /usr/lib/e2initrd-helper was placed in /usr despite objections. /usr/lib/libdevmapper* was moved despite objections... /usr/lib/liblvm2* helpers were placed in /usr despite objections... There were deliberate placements of "new" or updated libraries in /usr that were known ahead of time that would break the use of a separate /usr filesystem. It was pointed out quite plainly at the time, and the placements were made anyway, dismissing the concerns are "mere historical artifacts" or "clinging to ancient and outmoded traditions." The *same things* are still being cited (about being outmoded) in dismissing concers about forcing useres to adopt technologies they do not want to use.