From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F3AE1381F3 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 00:54:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3525EE0E85; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 00:54:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mahal.bihira.com (mahal.bihira.com [67.159.5.243]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2E7BEE0E72 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 00:54:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 118.70-40-235.netnet.net ([70.40.235.118]:43845 helo=[192.168.1.144]) by mahal.bihira.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1VQRkX-0004nD-FX for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 00:54:10 +0000 Message-ID: <5248CBB9.5010205@sporkbox.us> Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 19:54:17 -0500 From: Daniel Campbell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130921 Thunderbird/17.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] systemd installation location References: <20130929195206.GA16744@linux1> In-Reply-To: <20130929195206.GA16744@linux1> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OutGoing-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - mahal.bihira.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lists.gentoo.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - sporkbox.us X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: mahal.bihira.com: authenticated_id: lists@sporkbox.us X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Archives-Salt: a481e5af-aec2-4ef5-8996-a6240f49e588 X-Archives-Hash: 474e57148b212f3316dae66b9885c9bf -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 09/29/2013 02:52 PM, William Hubbs wrote: > All, > > I can clarify one part of the systemd issue, because I have been > involved in this part of the issue for months. Again, I am not > trying to start a dispute here, just providing a clarification. > > The choice to install all of the systemd binaries in /usr is not > an upstream choice. It was a choice made a year ago when our > systemd team was one person [1], and now the team doesn't want to > change it because it would require users to go through a migration, > and the rest of the team doesn't see a benefit in changing it since > it still links to libraries in /usr/lib. > > I joined the team, primarily to take responsibility for this change > and to try to make it go as smoothly as possible, but I was > overruled even though upstream gave us a pretty strong warning > about it. > > William > > [1] > http://blogs.gentoo.org/mgorny/2012/01/04/moving-systemd-into-usr-the-technical-side/ > > Ouch. So systemd upstream doesn't suggest putting binaries in /usr? That shows at least a little respect for /bin, et al. Based on the blog post, I'm getting the feeling that -- for systemd anyway -- the issues with /usr are caused by its dependencies rather than systemd itself. If dbus and whatnot were in /bin where they belong, the need for an initramfs (for separate /usr) and/or dealing with things in a non-standard place wouldn't need to happen. I'm not affected by anything regarding the /usr switch, but I'd like to have a good talk with the first person who decided a system-critical binary belonged in /usr instead of /bin or /sbin. They've created a mess for every distro and any project that depends on their work. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.20 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSSMu5AAoJEJUrb08JgYgHFz4H/iyZt6MlTeW702KOlIy2Ydse mzsfiyPfPz8Rbz0Mqp5/17R8aQzOUG4l6dZS7d9HFKuMCG7t+kNZCSvxD69XeTVO tZY6YjHCGQaE6WaAMbiasXfRTeRt4ZDtP5l/lCUsYcTCWN13PyIcHCb5rGNHnHqq J/OcSeF5EoS+G/uSAuzDVaQ5wa0Z0qkqVSqQGjJ5NUHYIA5ZrtYpMNDR+MkFYYAB 7I4JE5kDXRYoBSiLLDb7tI7F1nGogHXxzECmMYW4ZneU0AJwhUAK0kU+oTHY2Z9Q 8TcjpdaG1BH4gA2NT+i+ZJz4XNqkMPa2vbvhcfGFs9Dg7IwabiuunOzh0GQM1S4= =jgci -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----