From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1540E1381F3 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2013 23:34:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DFF91E0FAF; Sun, 29 Sep 2013 23:34:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ob0-f180.google.com (mail-ob0-f180.google.com [209.85.214.180]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B3ECDE0E21 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2013 23:34:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ob0-f180.google.com with SMTP id wm4so4533062obc.39 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2013 16:34:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type; bh=aGv31mH+/KCU9kmAGMEcrwb0PN5+IMzgfRJFw9p+3JM=; b=FEb59fjOaRTA9MhEi1feK7ghh2iW7SWG2IFeTbRbzh9bTHj+Cdu3Utdkl7pokBgByO 6ongfnVqEOWoY8n2SlVADYO23shO9uDWZ0cgwwTIOgoXxrUIzN2M91UVLHh755VEicCq chp9FRyjCMXOYmssKZbKXZXcXPxZ/vpYM+jmpeEVo1IUWPMKdRzO8QYLvNdfq5YOujgq kfdQGuxRVT6n5kY5gyOdmGHPcCrit7zj1jaIx4MpuIaP0D9YcSzUZFkmxyv1vn7XK4w0 3cENHgQqVGvlrAuTah7EGMNooTX0GVTJzLU/q7pqEMJEZiqX2r/wy8zaVk3jqfzsKyd6 cU2A== X-Received: by 10.60.116.230 with SMTP id jz6mr17569360oeb.21.1380497661882; Sun, 29 Sep 2013 16:34:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (adsl-98-95-149-129.jan.bellsouth.net. [98.95.149.129]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id hs4sm25652121obb.5.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 29 Sep 2013 16:34:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5248B8FC.8070601@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 18:34:20 -0500 From: Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/24.0 SeaMonkey/2.21 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01 References: <20130927222109.GD23408@server> <5246079E.7090406@gmail.com> <20130927223916.GE23408@server> <52460D42.2080109@gmail.com> <52461056.9020604@gmail.com> <5246BE35.3010408@libertytrek.org> <5246D674.1010806@hadt.biz> <5246F07F.8050100@gmail.com> <524716C0.203@hadt.biz> <52471D5B.2020506@gmail.com> <52483E04.4040900@libertytrek.org> <52484627.1020102@gmail.com> <5248656F.3060602@libertytrek.org> <524870B4.8090905@gmail.com> <52487531.8080902@libertytrek.org> <52489D19.6080802@gmail.com> <20130930001946.793e80fe@digimed.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20130930001946.793e80fe@digimed.co.uk> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.2 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030901050301010805020604" X-Archives-Salt: 29029c8e-b4c0-44af-8609-8639355642a9 X-Archives-Hash: 88c0238b547e2e6adc37b5384aa73650 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030901050301010805020604 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 16:35:21 -0500, Dale wrote: > >> So my experience doesn't matter any then? My /usr does vary and >> sometimes varies quite a bit. That is why I had to resize the thing. >> Saying that I didn't make it large enough to begin with isn't the >> point. When people use LVM, the reason they use it is so that we can >> resize things when needed. > > On a desktop system, it is not unusual for /usr usage to vary, as you > install, and maybe remove, various packages as your needs change. > > As for not making it large enough to begin with, isn't one of the > advantages of using LVM that you don't need to try to guess future usage > and only need to make the LV large enough for today's needs. That's one > of the main reasons I used LVM, before The One True Way[tm] was available > on Linux. > > Keep on using LVM if it is right for you, and it apparently is, but you > will have to compromise on using an initramfs to do so reliably in the > future. > > I seriously recommend you look at the Wiki page on making your own > initramfs. One of the problems people have with them, and I was one of > them, is that they are a black box, a binary blob that does some magic to > get your system booted. Playing around with creating your own shows you > just how simple and basic they really are, a busybox binary and a couple > of lines of shell script to mount / and /usr. If you fear the unknown, > get to know it. > > I already did that. I'm pretty sure the first try was following a Gentoo wiki. It failed. I googled and I'm pretty sure I posted the error on here to, I never got it to work and as far as I know, no one had a fix either. I just know it didn't work. I then tried another wiki and it also failed but differently. I also tried doing the one with it built into the kernel, wouldn't boot then either. Dracut worked, at least I guess it did, but if it ever breaks, no clue what to do and if I can't boot, same boat again. I'm staring at a error with no clue how to fix it. The point is, whether with or without a init thingy, first failed boot that I can't readily fix, time to learn something else new. A computer that doesn't boot isn't of much use for me. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! --------------030901050301010805020604 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 16:35:21 -0500, Dale wrote:
>
>> So my experience doesn't matter any then?  My /usr does vary and
>> sometimes varies quite a bit.  That is why I had to resize the thing.
>> Saying that I didn't make it large enough to begin with isn't the
>> point.  When people use LVM, the reason they use it is so that we can
>> resize things when needed.
>
> On a desktop system, it is not unusual for /usr usage to vary, as you
> install, and maybe remove, various packages as your needs change.
>
> As for not making it large enough to begin with, isn't one of the
> advantages of using LVM that you don't need to try to guess future usage
> and only need to make the LV large enough for today's needs. That's one
> of the main reasons I used LVM, before The One True Way[tm] was available
> on Linux.
>
> Keep on using LVM if it is right for you, and it apparently is, but you
> will have to compromise on using an initramfs to do so reliably in the
> future.
>
> I seriously recommend you look at the Wiki page on making your own
> initramfs. One of the problems people have with them, and I was one of
> them, is that they are a black box, a binary blob that does some magic to
> get your system booted. Playing around with creating your own shows you
> just how simple and basic they really are, a busybox binary and a couple
> of lines of shell script to mount / and /usr. If you fear the unknown,
> get to know it.
>
>


I already did that.  I'm pretty sure the first try was following a Gentoo wiki.  It failed.  I googled and I'm pretty sure I posted the error on here to, I never got it to work and as far as I know, no one had a fix either.  I just know it didn't work.  I then tried another wiki and it also failed but differently.  I also tried doing the one with it built into the kernel, wouldn't boot then either.  Dracut worked, at least I guess it did, but if it ever breaks, no clue what to do and if I can't boot, same boat again.  I'm staring at a error with no clue how to fix it.

The point is, whether with or without a init thingy, first failed boot that I can't readily fix, time to learn something else new.  A computer that doesn't boot isn't of much use for me.

Dale

:-)  :-)

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