From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A5A11381F3 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2013 22:58:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 33796E0E68; Sun, 29 Sep 2013 22:58:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from homiemail-a69.g.dreamhost.com (caibbdcaaaaf.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.5]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1465AE0CB1 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2013 22:58:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from homiemail-a69.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a69.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7399140119C02 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2013 15:58:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=libertytrek.org; h= message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s= libertytrek.org; bh=ffVgQz9Ilsnhr5dj9pDJKVahtGQ=; b=gVJHLov/amje Ibm+U+eP+obVVp+vdTKKdruaAFzETm88RdG5h25WgaaVCiSl/NZa/PHy25B11G5K m+7QloAkZVvXlQUUf3bwB8Xw699cL6Eci86qpoBIIxeF6Qn6btThJ+J0KCkBGpKP HoKx8KSxelcr/q2AnAw62wpUiGcA8zs= Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [159.63.145.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: tanstaafl@libertytrek.org) by homiemail-a69.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 52C1640119C01 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2013 15:58:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5248B091.3070406@libertytrek.org> Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 18:58:25 -0400 From: Tanstaafl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01 References: <20130927222109.GD23408@server> <5246079E.7090406@gmail.com> <20130927223916.GE23408@server> <52460D42.2080109@gmail.com> <52461056.9020604@gmail.com> <5246BE35.3010408@libertytrek.org> <5246D674.1010806@hadt.biz> <5246F07F.8050100@gmail.com> <524716C0.203@hadt.biz> <52471D5B.2020506@gmail.com> <52483E04.4040900@libertytrek.org> <52484627.1020102@gmail.com> <5248656F.3060602@libertytrek.org> <524870B4.8090905@gmail.com> <52487531.8080902@libertytrek.org> <52489D19.6080802@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <52489D19.6080802@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 3a547796-20aa-450f-ba74-bef7ac5e0424 X-Archives-Hash: 86c47702c5f037eae2933e7ccc029875 On 2013-09-29 5:35 PM, Dale wrote: > Tanstaafl wrote: >> Ok, but... everything I've read and personal experience over the years >> shows that space required for /usr should not change much, especially >> constantly grow over time (like requirements for /home can and will)- >> it may fluctuate (increase, decrease) *a little* over time, but it >> definitely should not grow substantially, so, if you had to resize it, >> most likely it is because you simply didn't allocate enough room to >> start with. > So my experience doesn't matter any then? Dale, that is NOT what I said, and nothing I am saying is intended to be offensive. > My /usr does vary and sometimes varies quite a bit. The question you should be asking yourself then, is WHY? > That is why I had to resize the thing. Saying that I didn't make it > large enough to begin with isn't the point. It is precisely the point... The fact is, there is nothing in there that *should* vary much (once your system is fully installed) - unless you are using it in some non-standard way, and/or not occasionally cleaning out /usr/src (as Alan pointed out)... and if either of those is the case, then as I said, it is your own fault that you needed to resize it. Don't you see how contradictory it is to say that you will change from gentoo to distro-x because gentoo has made a change that requires you to either merge /usr into / or use an 'init thingy', when distro-x, that you say you will change to, USES AN INIT THINGY? Doesn't that sound irrational to you? What would be logical and rational would be to either: a) learn how to use an init thingy (which from some more reading I've been doing, doesn't look quite as bad as it seemed initially), or b) determine what is a sane size for /usr, make / an appropriate size to subsume it, and merge it into /. Now, if you don't have enough room in / to merge it, then obviously it will be more painful, but once it is done, you never have to worry about it again - and no init thingy. > When people use LVM, the reason they use it is so that we can resize > things when needed. Yes, and I use LVM - but again, this is only important for dirs/mnt points that have the potential to consume more and more disk space... that potential is simply not there for (a properly configured and maintained) /usr... > And what is rational for you, is not rational to me. Since you can > dismiss mine, I can dismiss yours too. Funny how that works huh? Yep... and you can also dismiss my claim that jumping off that 1,000' cliff won't result in you going splat, but it doesn't change the fact that if you jump off of it, you WILL go splat. I just wouldn't get the chance to say I told you so.