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[98.95.149.129]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id rr6sm32636443oeb.0.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 29 Sep 2013 14:48:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5248A026.6000506@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 16:48:22 -0500 From: Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/24.0 SeaMonkey/2.21 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01 References: <20130927222109.GD23408@server> <5246079E.7090406@gmail.com> <20130927223916.GE23408@server> <52460D42.2080109@gmail.com> <20130928003220.GF23408@server> <20130928160159.GA4247@linux1> <5247128D.3030801@gmail.com> <20130928205308.547335bf@digimed.co.uk> <5247550D.5010200@gmail.com> <20130928234621.57754558@digimed.co.uk> <524761B4.60805@gmail.com> <20130929194125.2c8f33ba@digimed.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20130929194125.2c8f33ba@digimed.co.uk> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 647626a5-3167-4630-abaf-c7b492af3fae X-Archives-Hash: cf22450134bf2160bbab75240c779f8e Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 18:09:40 -0500, Dale wrote: > >>> Read the kernel docs on initramfs, you'll then understand that this is >>> not true. >> Point is, they are the same to me. Both stand between grub and the >> kernel and add yet one more point of failure. I'm not going to nitpck >> on the difference between them since I view both in the same way. > They are not the same. Your stating that they are the same to you is > effectively saying "I know what I believe, don't bother me with the real > facts". They are the same to me as yet one more point of failure that I DO NOT want. I have dealt with those in the past and I don't want either of them and I don't care of it is called "cute teddy bears" or whatever. My point still stands, it is one more thing between grub and the kernel and I don't want it. >>> Except you can never break Gentoo with a kernel update because, unlike >>> some other distros, installing a new kernel does not uninstall the >>> previous one. No matter how badly wrng a kernel update goes, you can >>> always hit reset then select the old one from the GRUB menu - >>> reinstallation doesn't come into it. >> Provided that the old one works tho right? What if I update and it >> breaks more than one thing? Then what? > That's got nothing to do with the kernel, initramfs or separate /usr. > Once init is running, all that is history, it's done its job. If > something subsequently fails, it has nothing to do with mounting / > and /usr (which is all the initramfs does). > If I select what to boot in grub and it fails, there I sit. If I try another and it fails, there I sit. I have enough issues at times already. I don't want one more that already has a bad, VERY bad, history with me. I have enough fun with the kernel at times. >>> This isn't even as close as comparing apples and oranges. >> To ME, a init thingy is a init thingy. That's why I call them all init >> thingys. To ME, both are apples. One may be green and another red but >> both are still apples. > Please, don't ever offer to feed me :-) > > You would be surprised, I am one heck of a cook. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!