From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35AF81381F3 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2013 21:35:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0AADBE0F8D; Sun, 29 Sep 2013 21:35:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ob0-f174.google.com (mail-ob0-f174.google.com [209.85.214.174]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E2176E09A9 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2013 21:35:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ob0-f174.google.com with SMTP id uz6so4474159obc.5 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2013 14:35:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=QiwU9WWMidy/TnhIHOMvCRZlS45iApP+v0vGZDj08cE=; b=TFro23bjb+ey/yJeJtnEuxIBjJB7f0rYH+Uv7vz5C55YJMbqKTOsLfjxmeeTTDwy/1 W8BvpgmRw8d83toM+MBn1Gsa+OZuhlY6m35nmAJMub3eNqgDGVg6UndytwGEYMbjCF9s 0HQbvrnb3mT2dBKtrrzB1Nifcew3dk6woxu8Kfgoib4mntYVAfVrvPqUYEakjt4tfjqi gFZ4VM4FCXT+nGcmGC8eXN5vymblAQSK3h9PLTNAYW2+kaNLpPKoJqY4kI3lZaQrNyJF /7EloFEaBD6N2oyWXrzeH8HI8Cm8Ur40kUW8awm4o0UkWMnkXIPTIqp5Vju0IyT6sKEx a1bA== X-Received: by 10.182.129.42 with SMTP id nt10mr16524555obb.19.1380490523128; Sun, 29 Sep 2013 14:35:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (adsl-98-95-149-129.jan.bellsouth.net. [98.95.149.129]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id y1sm32525643oek.4.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 29 Sep 2013 14:35:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <52489D19.6080802@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 16:35:21 -0500 From: Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/24.0 SeaMonkey/2.21 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01 References: <20130927222109.GD23408@server> <5246079E.7090406@gmail.com> <20130927223916.GE23408@server> <52460D42.2080109@gmail.com> <52461056.9020604@gmail.com> <5246BE35.3010408@libertytrek.org> <5246D674.1010806@hadt.biz> <5246F07F.8050100@gmail.com> <524716C0.203@hadt.biz> <52471D5B.2020506@gmail.com> <52483E04.4040900@libertytrek.org> <52484627.1020102@gmail.com> <5248656F.3060602@libertytrek.org> <524870B4.8090905@gmail.com> <52487531.8080902@libertytrek.org> In-Reply-To: <52487531.8080902@libertytrek.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 3b61e699-23e5-49ef-924c-1ec71ef07959 X-Archives-Hash: 4a1f98e02c4f9aa036c56f8e61024ffe Tanstaafl wrote: > On 2013-09-29 2:25 PM, Dale wrote: >> Tanstaafl wrote: >>> The way I see it, if you cannot provide a rational answer to that >>> question, then there is no reason for you to use this as a reason to >>> abandon gentoo, only a reason to merge /usr into /... > >> Simple, I have never had to resize / or /boot before. I have had to >> resize /usr, /var and /home several times tho. THAT is the reason. > > Ok, but... everything I've read and personal experience over the years > shows that space required for /usr should not change much, especially > constantly grow over time (like requirements for /home can and will)- > it may fluctuate (increase, decrease) *a little* over time, but it > definitely should not grow substantially, so, if you had to resize it, > most likely it is because you simply didn't allocate enough room to > start with. So my experience doesn't matter any then? My /usr does vary and sometimes varies quite a bit. That is why I had to resize the thing. Saying that I didn't make it large enough to begin with isn't the point. When people use LVM, the reason they use it is so that we can resize things when needed. > >> For me, it doesn't matter if it is rational to YOU or not. > > Sorry, but rationality is not subjective. Just because something seems > to be rational to you doesn't mean that it is. > > You have still not stated a logical, rational reason for wanting a > separate /usr. And what is ratinal for you, is not rational to me. Since you can dismiss mine, I can dismiss yours too. Funny how that works huh? For ME, it is logical/rational for me to have the setup like I have it. I did it this way to speciffically avoid the init thingy and be flexible when needed. If I wanted one, I would have used one when I first installed Gentoo and not only that, put everything but /boot on LVM. > >> I am the one doing things on my puter not you or anyone else. If the >> init thingy fails, that will be me staring at a error message, not >> you. > > I don't want one of those things either, but that isn't what I was > questioning you about. > > Of course you can do whatever you want *and* are technically capable > of on your own computer, but that doesn't automatically make those > things logical or rational. > > I did see one good case for a separate /usr (someone who was using > ancient PATA drives, and something about striping for performance), > but that was obviously a corner case... > > You may not since you are not sitting in MY chair. My statements are not trying to change the way you run your puter, but yours seem to be trying to get me to change mine. I don't want to change mine when it comes to adding a init thingy to the boot process. Simple as that. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!