From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A357A1381F3 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2013 20:44:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C439DE0AFC; Sun, 29 Sep 2013 20:43:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wg0-f50.google.com (mail-wg0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ABB83E0A07 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2013 20:43:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f50.google.com with SMTP id f12so4819987wgh.5 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2013 13:43:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ov3mFbfaVOmCe8MkVsbPzD/QywJe1wXZ2GbGO80rayY=; b=WC2TStOhLpFHD21x0Yx5PVjQgnh7K//WKZd1fO0WuCiCbmpPsSql+MHYPUeOWOTkzx VvX0D0hrHQhV1WD62MHBSKHsgXb9LzH9xgKnaRKg4GcLRtqIrnv4d7zHLdSZPgjZbQ+o 9dIIT65XZ7PPBCGjqu6ZqXoftsCk8fmuLcm+wuv2L0nZIoJRvOYxklRb3A/4bTsh3swl pWQxk0TjvfRRA8kJMWaZ3ONJpnt6yzdCO4EC8KEVCLWPkf3FeyY/1NsQHTEbPOjt4InR bRT32oxZCKyYjxfhp/rawFSgShFk8HXY7QxpaULdYsgUts9Ir8ADN4DZrCXo1fuUM74K X3MQ== X-Received: by 10.194.250.6 with SMTP id yy6mr14672705wjc.13.1380487437316; Sun, 29 Sep 2013 13:43:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.20.0.40] (196-210-102-121.dynamic.isadsl.co.za. [196.210.102.121]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id sh5sm15175730wic.11.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 29 Sep 2013 13:43:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <52488FFE.3090306@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 22:39:26 +0200 From: Alan McKinnon User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01 References: <20130927222109.GD23408@server> <5246079E.7090406@gmail.com> <524759FB.2090304@gmail.com> <524869A5.4070306@libertytrek.org> <20130929185504.GA16543@linux1> In-Reply-To: <20130929185504.GA16543@linux1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: b5f70304-bb64-4137-8ba9-3fce71dfb44b X-Archives-Hash: 8fb059180505188684852adfb2e89c55 On 29/09/2013 20:55, William Hubbs wrote: > On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 01:55:49PM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: >> On 2013-09-28 6:36 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: >>> So this brings us back to the essential technical problem that still >>> needs to be solved on your machines: >>> >>> /usr needs to be available (and not only for BT keyboards) at the >>> earliest possible opportunity - this is a technical constraint. To >>> guarantee that, you need to either merge /usr with /, or use an >>> initramfs to guarantee that /usr is available before anything else >>> happens in userland. >>> >>> It*really* is that simple. If you have a better solution than my last >>> two choices, then I am all ears. >> >> Ok, and if this is all true, I can accept it. > > Alan, this is a very good summary of the issues involved. Everyone on > the list should go and read flameeyes' blog post then this summary. Thanks William. It really was an off-the cuff description done to answer a user's question. I'm glad to hear it communicated what I intended. > > Tanstaaf, > > I am the OpenRC author/maintainer and a member of base-system. I can > tell you that we are not discussing forcing systemd on everyone in > Gentoo Linux as a default init system. I can also tell you that I am not > aware of the Gentoo systemd team discussing this. Even if they were, a > distro-wide change like this would have to be brought before the > Council. > > William > -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon@gmail.com