From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7AC31381F3 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2013 20:32:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5FD87E0E99; Sun, 29 Sep 2013 20:32:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wi0-f169.google.com (mail-wi0-f169.google.com [209.85.212.169]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F2D9E0E7E for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2013 20:32:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wi0-f169.google.com with SMTP id hj3so2842929wib.2 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2013 13:32:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=CQ3id9Mjtb3iXNlaO9AOPG1I0YOi39j08Zt6EtHmgYk=; b=DMNKge30gB4ACNkD8bEDi3RAv50oxs6SqM5a0tVTrORhznYygOqYLWK9CUSf9R41PW ZJ6zIQPkGADk2Eg6grxF9R8GTJ59XT2CPSY0xxfv2OMPZUYFz/7FLbiG3aHAsQ2lC8WI +AWOefnjEYFXmJNGh8sYA0F8mfnB6MdvK2ElyGvHvu+qXGSLqAAONmvRC39z4lLdrjip axmH5Jm4r1P4+OEh4v5vs+HY1XNzao+YzlHQOoTE05wXRBAQcpQONxtr+HvAgu7CleWR LWKIwF/8kNDt/cjG4wTiRoXcIq/svqpS4I0YkDSlkKqAyuypJ+OzlZvH0Vsy6rMvyD0Z Evyg== X-Received: by 10.180.206.244 with SMTP id lr20mr10859811wic.45.1380486754748; Sun, 29 Sep 2013 13:32:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.20.0.40] (196-210-102-121.dynamic.isadsl.co.za. [196.210.102.121]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id b7sm19083221wiz.8.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 29 Sep 2013 13:32:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <52488D54.9090206@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 22:28:04 +0200 From: Alan McKinnon User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01 References: <20130927222109.GD23408@server> <5246079E.7090406@gmail.com> <20130927223916.GE23408@server> <52460D42.2080109@gmail.com> <52461056.9020604@gmail.com> <5246BE35.3010408@libertytrek.org> <5246E1F5.9050302@gmail.com> <5248698C.4000906@libertytrek.org> In-Reply-To: <5248698C.4000906@libertytrek.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 9f4d557d-14f3-43f2-8559-4902cdda1d8b X-Archives-Hash: 6bdf76e897d7eb841ced0c06a8dc55d4 On 29/09/2013 19:55, Tanstaafl wrote: [snip] > I have *never* merged a critical filesystem on a critical server like > this before. > >> Please see the news item for what it actually is, not something else. > > I see it as an ultimatum that I *must* change a server that has been > running flawlessly for years, or face breakage at some point in the NEAR > future. > > I also view this as a potential 'shot across the bow' warning that > systemd is coming and will be shoved down our throats, like it or not. > > Maybe it isn't, but judging solely by recent events, I think that is > much more likely than not. William himself clarified in this thread why he pushed for this change to happen, and it has nothing to do with systemd. As for what it takes to get your system in line with what the news item says, it usually is as simple as moving some files around and editing fstab. Of course, you still need to do your planning and research, especially listing out how much space you have where an is it enough. But that is just routine sysadmin investigation stuff as is always done before embarking on any change or update. An analogy might be the manufacturer telling you your car is subject to a recall to replace a brake item under warranty, and your insurance telling you to do it sometime this month or face having your insurance voided. Yeah, it's inconvenient but once done is actually not such a big deal. mechanics work on brakes all the time all over the world and very very few people have accidents as a result. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon@gmail.com