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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 22:17:48 +0200
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Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01
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On 29/09/2013 17:41, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> On Sep 29, 2013 3:33 AM, "Alan McKinnon" <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com
> <mailto:alan.mckinnon@gmail.com>> wrote:
[snip]
>> Exherbo might be worth a look too[1].
>>
>> It's a sort-of Gentoo fork using the portage tree and PMS; plus Ciaran
>> strikes me as the kind of guy who *would* expend massive effort to find
>> a way round current udev and systemd.
>>
>>
>> [1] I didn't look myself. I have no idea what Exherbo's stance is on
>> this matter.
>
> Exherbo recommends installing systemd [1]. Sabayon installs systemd by
> default [2]. Funtoo is considering running GNOME >=3.8 in a container so
> systemd doesn't "impact" the rest of the system [3] (which by the way
> looks like an interesting idea). However, in the same link Daniel
> Robbins says:
>
> "[...] from my perspective, I think it is simply so people can run
> GNOME. I do like GNOME 3.6. I like their new UI. It would be nice to run
> 3.8. I don't care about systemd. It is simply a dep of GNOME. That is all."
>
> I see that as being open to the idea of using systemd in the future. It
> doesn't say that they'll never support systemd, as others would. Well,
> users; for the people that actually write the code, the majority seems
> to like systemd, or at least don't have a problem with it.
>
> Anyhow, many in this thread forget that it was the OpenRC maintainer the
> one that proposed the change to stop supporting a separate /usr without
> an initramfs. If you use OpenRC, and have a separate /usr without an
> initramfs, and *anything * breaks in your machine, you get to keep the
> pieces. No (official) support for you.
>
> It doesn't matter if you use udev, eudev (which is the same, just
> emasculated), nor mdev. OpenRC will start assuming an early available
> /usr; that's why its maintainer championed the change. It needs it to
> actually compete with systemd. So even Funtoo will need the same
> requirement, unless they switch to runit.
>
> As others have said, this is not really related to systemd/udev. It's
> OpenRC, the "official" and (still) recommended init system for Gentoo,
> the one that is making the change.
Thanks for that info. I don't keep current with the Gentoo-derived
distros as gentoo itself works great for me.
> And about time, if you ask me.
Agreed. I myself fought this change in my head for ages. And changed my
mind for the same reasons so many other people have done so too.
--
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com