From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86FCE1381F3 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2013 18:00:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 37267E0FBA; Sun, 29 Sep 2013 18:00:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from homiemail-a91.g.dreamhost.com (caibbdcaaaaf.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.5]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28154E0F58 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2013 18:00:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from homiemail-a91.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a91.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19280AE05B for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2013 10:59:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=libertytrek.org; h= message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s= libertytrek.org; bh=QdrWBu/6l0xRSVeJc6iL7rDyMw4=; b=mLl8FZxPiB1N QalTU9xSHOJQ4z5esSSnl+e0wzKSXBynf4P9zfR1yHLnHR3M5hZmSBGqfts9JYew bkq+/V5RYI9YGGJ8DA5zb/ECC2el5LyWvkoeYbIAFzI5jCk35nRb4VGrVfnNJUXk w4A+3OSH5libYB/mNnm/XEsfF4csENg= Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [159.63.145.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: tanstaafl@libertytrek.org) by homiemail-a91.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E0357AE059 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2013 10:59:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <52486A93.7050707@libertytrek.org> Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 13:59:47 -0400 From: Tanstaafl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01 References: <20130927222109.GD23408@server> <5246079E.7090406@gmail.com> <20130927223916.GE23408@server> <52460D42.2080109@gmail.com> <20130928003220.GF23408@server> <20130928160159.GA4247@linux1> In-Reply-To: <20130928160159.GA4247@linux1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 24c7b498-acc4-4808-a696-0d10f26b83a0 X-Archives-Hash: 57dd505ce06639063688c03c0f295a25 On 2013-09-28 12:01 PM, William Hubbs wrote: > There is no reason to rebuild your server; we aren't telling you you > have to merge /usr into /. The only thing we are saying is that you will > need to use an initramfs if you are going to keep them separate. Which, if you even bothered to read the words in the posts of the people who are pushing back on this so much as to their specific *reasons* that this is a problem, is the whole point... I am reasonably good at following instructions, but I am paranoid when it comes to researching before doing something that has even a remote potential for breaking one of my systems - and the horror stories I've read involving the whole initramfs deal just makes it clear that it is just one more single point of failure that has a very GOOD chance of breaking every time I upgrade my kernel or certain critical USERLAND tools (like LVM) (I do NOT use genkernel or dracut and I do NOT want to have to START using them), I update them manually, and I'm comfortable with that. I have said more than once in these threads that I do *not* have a philosophical (or other) reason for wanting to keep them separate, so, my ONLY other choice (if I want to stick with gentoo, which I do) is to merge /usr back into /. I've been told that this shouldn't be a big deal... while I am a (barely) passable linux sys admin - I am NOT a programmer, I do NOT know how to interpret vague boot errors or TRACE a process to see where or why it is failing (much less fix it if I could), so if something breaks badly, I'll be like a fish out of water...