From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1B6D1381F3 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2013 11:03:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A470AE0DF2; Sun, 29 Sep 2013 11:03:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yh0-f53.google.com (mail-yh0-f53.google.com [209.85.213.53]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9A05AE0DBF for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2013 11:03:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yh0-f53.google.com with SMTP id b20so1635368yha.12 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2013 04:03:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=IkDjbUo0r/rseC1XIJ2P6fW89DlzXZoq6x1ZZTf0WAQ=; b=cISZUpTL6v8GAV26Np3cwTOInC3/YLcDPv9VgOUqKecfJUt40uos8focYmRo2jHqNc 30YfJdMuZACSfR/VsfMjOYAyMKtJS+P2S3rtstXfHlegG4CdjtArBduz/srF0fHHf9us h6EicQretNhRomukUfVD6ihEqIvUFcb5ND0RJwDvnfs/4+86fkORIbYhTdeqYR1Ek6IT oc7aoa6FZ5hGRWOzjRr/olZKNmRBZQphpGqLpoNMGOlGn0hQlcKuAbPT74QwhWwLA7H0 OHY5zbQqeHEhRkQymvqmskGAcatjGbFwM+bLi4DLa0qH3XtAf9zEJpEdqirflXKuilpF rTLg== X-Received: by 10.236.106.6 with SMTP id l6mr17700783yhg.17.1380452611808; Sun, 29 Sep 2013 04:03:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from onyx.private ([50.124.179.76]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id e10sm26183114yhj.1.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 29 Sep 2013 04:03:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <52480902.9040305@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 07:03:30 -0400 From: Greg Woodbury User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130805 Thunderbird/17.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01 References: <5246079E.7090406@gmail.com> <524761B4.60805@gmail.com> <20130929052937.GA30380@waltdnes.org> <201309290925.06893.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> <5247E4C2.5040502@gmail.com> <52480720.7070704@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <52480720.7070704@googlemail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: b0c6b239-f62a-468f-9298-0679ff50b8a8 X-Archives-Hash: 298034fa53ca27227eeb0ef904bcbaae On 09/29/2013 06:55 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > why do you bring up udev and systemd AT ALL? > > They are not the problem or the reason why seperate /usr is prone to break. > Except that systemd *is* why a seperate /usr is broken now. Parts of the libraries that systemd depend on we *deliberately* placed in /usr despite the fact that they are needed to bbring the system to an operational state. For *years* things required to boot the system were defined to be in the root file system, and items not required until after mounting had been accomplished were to be placed in /usr. BTW: There is a standard (The File System Hierarch Standard - FSS) that existed and described this behaviour. It was killed off by deliberate vendor refusals to support or adhere to it. In frustration, the folks involved simply gave up. -- G.Wolfe Woodbury redwolfe@gmail.com