From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24A941381F3 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 22:15:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4FC34E0D35; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 22:15:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oa0-f52.google.com (mail-oa0-f52.google.com [209.85.219.52]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1F741E0CB9 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 22:15:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oa0-f52.google.com with SMTP id n2so3009361oag.39 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 15:15:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type; bh=XtMBloHehcuQX7dw9ulD4iRnu9lQZ7tt+9AKA9xA3P4=; b=JVLxjZE9XEUYmfyULDGAZAM8iPpSthQEPvM0bYG2SqWLSddmIsBWV+MkxIdU1l+O/x pi502Eaux+cfIH9r2/Cfbgz/FVUDSJqZq54mmthRPXEo9GTXPgFge2+Tk0Q/ovlxF/e4 3ByWS/AyspBxZ0+OuiA29fo5LL/uAzpsqumeaIQWtp/rDADHDEwkSF2NzRfIPKgvAtLz eNZtCqllQwCjfUG+vePnTOL8PRHwacx0/E3LC7uMYHj7zyCBptF5LIcLVATol7wewbBj m9tEwZ5V6vqlzQs8ALl7Z3fQrIYBhdz9pcsEy4EuTWJm/xpmsl5cEQyP1+6PRDWtvWbG /eKg== X-Received: by 10.60.63.116 with SMTP id f20mr12436850oes.29.1380406542957; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 15:15:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (adsl-98-95-149-129.jan.bellsouth.net. [98.95.149.129]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id rr6sm25510801oeb.0.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 28 Sep 2013 15:15:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5247550D.5010200@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 17:15:41 -0500 From: Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/24.0 SeaMonkey/2.21 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01 References: <20130927222109.GD23408@server> <5246079E.7090406@gmail.com> <20130927223916.GE23408@server> <52460D42.2080109@gmail.com> <20130928003220.GF23408@server> <20130928160159.GA4247@linux1> <5247128D.3030801@gmail.com> <20130928205308.547335bf@digimed.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20130928205308.547335bf@digimed.co.uk> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.2 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090902000804020209040809" X-Archives-Salt: 94428dc2-534b-490f-81fc-b3729631038c X-Archives-Hash: 3754f345c736633589a34e3840cf45a4 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090902000804020209040809 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 12:31:57 -0500, Dale wrote: > >> One thing that you seem to be missing here. Before Gentoo, I used >> Mandrake. It had a init thingy. It caused me much grief and is one >> reason I left Mandrake. I also didn't like the upgrade process either >> but one reason I chose Gentoo is no init thingy. I wanted to be rid of >> that. Now, whether it is udev or not, here comes that stupid init >> thingy just because someone doesn't want to put files where they should >> be which is not inside /usr. > > Mandrake used an initrd, not the same as an initramfs, which is directly > supported by the kernel. > Whichever. Same shoes, different color is all. > >> So, given my history with the init thingy, if I do use a init thingy and >> it fails for whatever reason, I'll be installing something else. > > Good luck trying to find something else that doesn't use an init*. > > Thing is, those others are a LOT faster to install. Heck, I got Mandrake down to like 30 minutes from booting CD to booting off the hard drive and logging in and that was a COMPLETE install too. I installed Kubuntu for my brother and while not Gentoo, he doesn't have issues. Kubuntu takes care of the init thingy, NOT ME. If it did break, reinstall and go back to surfing. It fails on Gentoo, I'm stuck. I'm installing something and it won't be spending a good day to two days installing Gentoo. It seems folks think I just don't like new stuff. I don't mind new stuff. I use new stuff quite often. I just don't like using stuff that breaks, switching to something else to get away from it, then turn right around and have the same broken junk thrown back at me. One downside for Gentoo in that case, the install takes tiime and effort. It's not point and click. I love Gentoo but I'm not in love with installing on a regular basis whenever something breaks and I can't fix it or get booted to where I can at least try to find out HOW to fix it. That is the key problem. If I can't boot, I can't google or post here or anywhere else. I know how to fix that tho. I'm sure I can find something that will boot in somewhat short order. Question is, what will it be? Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! --------------090902000804020209040809 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 12:31:57 -0500, Dale wrote:
>
>> One thing that you seem to be missing here.  Before Gentoo, I used
>> Mandrake.  It had a init thingy.  It caused me much grief and is one
>> reason I left Mandrake.  I also didn't like the upgrade process either
>> but one reason I chose Gentoo is no init thingy.  I wanted to be rid of
>> that.  Now, whether it is udev or not, here comes that stupid init
>> thingy just because someone doesn't want to put files where they should
>> be which is not inside /usr.
>
> Mandrake used an initrd, not the same as an initramfs, which is directly
> supported by the kernel.
> 

Whichever.  Same shoes, different color is all.

>
>> So, given my history with the init thingy, if I do use a init thingy and
>> it fails for whatever reason, I'll be installing something else.
>
> Good luck trying to find something else that doesn't use an init*.
>
>

Thing is, those others are a LOT faster to install.  Heck, I got Mandrake down to like 30 minutes from booting CD to booting off the hard drive and logging in and that was a COMPLETE install too.  I installed Kubuntu for my brother and while not Gentoo, he doesn't have issues.  Kubuntu takes care of the init thingy, NOT ME.  If it did break, reinstall and go back to surfing.  It fails on Gentoo, I'm stuck.  I'm installing something and it won't be spending a good day to two days installing Gentoo.

It seems folks think I just don't like new stuff.  I don't mind new stuff.  I use new stuff quite often.  I just don't like using stuff that breaks, switching to something else to get away from it, then turn right around and have the same broken junk thrown back at me.  One downside for Gentoo in that case, the install takes tiime and effort.  It's not point and click.  I love Gentoo but I'm not in love with installing on a regular basis whenever something breaks and I can't fix it or get booted to where I can at least try to find out HOW to fix it.  That is the key problem.  If I can't boot, I can't google or post here or anywhere else.  I know how to fix that tho.  I'm sure I can find something that will boot in somewhat short order.  Question is, what will it be?

Dale

:-)  :-)

--
I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!

--------------090902000804020209040809--