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Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 17:15:41 -0500
From: Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com>
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Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 12:31:57 -0500, Dale wrote:
>
>> One thing that you seem to be missing here. Before Gentoo, I used
>> Mandrake. It had a init thingy. It caused me much grief and is one
>> reason I left Mandrake. I also didn't like the upgrade process either
>> but one reason I chose Gentoo is no init thingy. I wanted to be rid of
>> that. Now, whether it is udev or not, here comes that stupid init
>> thingy just because someone doesn't want to put files where they should
>> be which is not inside /usr.
>
> Mandrake used an initrd, not the same as an initramfs, which is directly
> supported by the kernel.
>
Whichever. Same shoes, different color is all.
>
>> So, given my history with the init thingy, if I do use a init thingy and
>> it fails for whatever reason, I'll be installing something else.
>
> Good luck trying to find something else that doesn't use an init*.
>
>
Thing is, those others are a LOT faster to install. Heck, I got
Mandrake down to like 30 minutes from booting CD to booting off the hard
drive and logging in and that was a COMPLETE install too. I installed
Kubuntu for my brother and while not Gentoo, he doesn't have issues.
Kubuntu takes care of the init thingy, NOT ME. If it did break,
reinstall and go back to surfing. It fails on Gentoo, I'm stuck. I'm
installing something and it won't be spending a good day to two days
installing Gentoo.
It seems folks think I just don't like new stuff. I don't mind new
stuff. I use new stuff quite often. I just don't like using stuff that
breaks, switching to something else to get away from it, then turn right
around and have the same broken junk thrown back at me. One downside
for Gentoo in that case, the install takes tiime and effort. It's not
point and click. I love Gentoo but I'm not in love with installing on a
regular basis whenever something breaks and I can't fix it or get booted
to where I can at least try to find out HOW to fix it. That is the key
problem. If I can't boot, I can't google or post here or anywhere
else. I know how to fix that tho. I'm sure I can find something that
will boot in somewhat short order. Question is, what will it be?
Dale
:-) :-)
--
I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or
how you interpreted my words!
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Neil Bothwick wrote:<br>
<span style="white-space: pre;">> On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 12:31:57
-0500, Dale wrote:<br>
><br>
>> One thing that you seem to be missing here. Before
Gentoo, I used<br>
>> Mandrake. It had a init thingy. It caused me much grief
and is one<br>
>> reason I left Mandrake. I also didn't like the upgrade
process either<br>
>> but one reason I chose Gentoo is no init thingy. I
wanted to be rid of<br>
>> that. Now, whether it is udev or not, here comes that
stupid init<br>
>> thingy just because someone doesn't want to put files
where they should<br>
>> be which is not inside /usr.<br>
><br>
> Mandrake used an initrd, not the same as an initramfs, which
is directly<br>
> supported by the kernel.<br>
> </span><br>
<br>
Whichever. Same shoes, different color is all. <br>
<br>
<span style="white-space: pre;">><br>
>> So, given my history with the init thingy, if I do use a
init thingy and<br>
>> it fails for whatever reason, I'll be installing
something else.<br>
><br>
> Good luck trying to find something else that doesn't use an
init*.<br>
><br>
></span><br>
<br>
Thing is, those others are a LOT faster to install. Heck, I got
Mandrake down to like 30 minutes from booting CD to booting off the
hard drive and logging in and that was a COMPLETE install too. I
installed Kubuntu for my brother and while not Gentoo, he doesn't
have issues. Kubuntu takes care of the init thingy, NOT ME. If it
did break, reinstall and go back to surfing. It fails on Gentoo,
I'm stuck. I'm installing something and it won't be spending a good
day to two days installing Gentoo. <br>
<br>
It seems folks think I just don't like new stuff. I don't mind new
stuff. I use new stuff quite often. I just don't like using stuff
that breaks, switching to something else to get away from it, then
turn right around and have the same broken junk thrown back at me.
One downside for Gentoo in that case, the install takes tiime and
effort. It's not point and click. I love Gentoo but I'm not in
love with installing on a regular basis whenever something breaks
and I can't fix it or get booted to where I can at least try to find
out HOW to fix it. That is the key problem. If I can't boot, I
can't google or post here or anywhere else. I know how to fix that
tho. I'm sure I can find something that will boot in somewhat short
order. Question is, what will it be?<br>
<br>
Dale<br>
<br>
:-) :-) <br>
<br>
-- <br>
I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you
understood or how you interpreted my words!<br>
<br>
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