From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 868561381F3 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 18:18:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4A66AE0CC7; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 18:18:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oa0-f45.google.com (mail-oa0-f45.google.com [209.85.219.45]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3C1B7E0C56 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 18:18:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oa0-f45.google.com with SMTP id o17so2932603oag.4 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 11:18:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type; bh=ccyjGnnh+mITqDY0KEm/wpVA40zxFNEpn/5OlvF46UA=; b=NnWnXXAAo/+30xSAg7ipsENIn0PBkWZAehlJyGFb8upErkJ6SpVMZRgxy+YcOHzOJc bl2+m0cH6GsrzaaIiaCDLeo7DcWPvV5PHE4BY0vmDlrTkge2erLiv0pKGKn36VPu/yzE vaC1TzvmdI/RCLL5PuU3HRLZ24zQPgxFYAfo5uqcv+OetNse/DYh0JUVjuP4jDUZGiGI XFrbfHTjK5RQoDpFapBZwOCuqfK8XVG2M0388uSmyHrH8cinuRPKAzMEtO+doIm3l8sM sdGeOJUI+76PeBXuDV6PhMNoksCVIbTW7tLc8nkO+YRtvzZCIFKaH9k2bzLkn4VQa729 NPtg== X-Received: by 10.182.181.34 with SMTP id dt2mr11501875obc.30.1380392285251; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 11:18:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (adsl-98-95-149-129.jan.bellsouth.net. [98.95.149.129]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id xx9sm18480251obc.6.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 28 Sep 2013 11:18:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <52471D5B.2020506@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 13:18:03 -0500 From: Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/24.0 SeaMonkey/2.21 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01 References: <20130927222109.GD23408@server> <5246079E.7090406@gmail.com> <20130927223916.GE23408@server> <52460D42.2080109@gmail.com> <52461056.9020604@gmail.com> <5246BE35.3010408@libertytrek.org> <5246D674.1010806@hadt.biz> <5246F07F.8050100@gmail.com> <524716C0.203@hadt.biz> In-Reply-To: <524716C0.203@hadt.biz> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.2 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060706070405050901090000" X-Archives-Salt: 214c5e84-a19c-4b11-9bf4-025869f7c06f X-Archives-Hash: a2ddc91c85e7b875c862eef88f587397 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060706070405050901090000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael Hampicke wrote: > Am 28.09.2013 17:06, schrieb Dale: >> Michael Hampicke wrote: >>> Am 28.09.2013 13:32, schrieb Tanstaafl: >>>> On 2013-09-27 7:10 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: >>>>> No really,*why exactly*? >>>> >>>> Because that was the RECOMMENDED WAY IN THE GENTOO HANDBOOK when I first >>>> set this system up many years ago. >>>> >>> >>> Where did you read that? According to the 2004 handbook the default >>> partition scheme was: >>> >>> Partition Filesystem Size Description >>> /dev/hda1 ext2 32M Boot partition >>> /dev/hda2 (swap) 512M Swap partition >>> /dev/hda3 ext3 Rest of the disk Root partition >>> >>> >>> >> http://web.archive.org/web/20040419042803/http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?full=1 >>> >> >> I guess I got mine from the handbook back in early 2003. That is when I >> did my first install. > > This is the default partition scheme from 2001 according to the handbook :-) > > Partition Size Type > boot partition, containing kernel(s) and boot information ~100 > Megabytes ReiserFS recommended, ext2 ok > root partition, containing main filesystem (/usr, /home, etc) >=1.5 > Gigabytes ReiserFS recommended, ext2 ok > swap partition (no longer a 128 Megabyte limit) >=128 Megabytes Linux swap > > No seperate /usr either Well, it was there when I followed it otherwise, I wouldn't have known to even do it. I all but copy and pasted the instructions from the install guide. > > >> >> Also, as I stated, I have / and /boot on regular partitions and >> everything else on LVM. Care to guess why I don't have / on a LVM too? >> Yep, to avoid the init thingy. I don't have /boot on LVM because grub >> didn't support it. >> > > I know that you want the avoid an initramfs given your experience from > mandrake lot's of years ago. The solution now is to merge /usr to / or > risk that one day your system won't boot. > > I know that some changes are hard to overcome, but that does not mean > you can look away :-) > Yep, it could lead to some changes but the init thingy isn't the only change it could lead too. I said that before and I'll say it again, I'm not going to start trying to pull my hair out over the init thingy. First time it fails, it's been fun. I'll just move along to something else. I did it once a long time ago and am not so locked in that I can't do it again. See, I can change when needed. It's not that I don't want to learn new things, I just don't want to learn old failed things. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! --------------060706070405050901090000 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael Hampicke wrote:
> Am 28.09.2013 17:06, schrieb Dale:
>> Michael Hampicke wrote:
>>> Am 28.09.2013 13:32, schrieb Tanstaafl:
>>>> On 2013-09-27 7:10 PM, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> No really,*why exactly*?
>>>>
>>>> Because that was the RECOMMENDED WAY IN THE GENTOO HANDBOOK when I first
>>>> set this system up many years ago.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Where did you read that? According to the 2004 handbook the default
>>> partition scheme was:
>>>
>>> Partition    Filesystem    Size    Description
>>> /dev/hda1    ext2    32M    Boot partition
>>> /dev/hda2    (swap)    512M    Swap partition
>>> /dev/hda3    ext3    Rest of the disk    Root partition
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> http://web.archive.org/web/20040419042803/http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?full=1
>>>
>>
>> I guess I got mine from the handbook back in early 2003.  That is when I
>> did my first install.
>
> This is the default partition scheme from 2001 according to the handbook :-)
>
> Partition    Size    Type
> boot partition, containing kernel(s) and boot information    ~100
> Megabytes    ReiserFS recommended, ext2 ok
> root partition, containing main filesystem (/usr, /home, etc)    >=1.5
> Gigabytes    ReiserFS recommended, ext2 ok
> swap partition (no longer a 128 Megabyte limit)    >=128 Megabytes    Linux swap
>
> No seperate /usr either

Well, it was there when I followed it otherwise, I wouldn't have known to even do it.  I all but copy and pasted the instructions from the install guide.

>
>
>>
>> Also, as I stated, I have / and /boot on regular partitions and
>> everything else on LVM.  Care to guess why I don't have / on a LVM too?
>> Yep, to avoid the init thingy.  I don't have /boot on LVM because grub
>> didn't support it.
>>
>
> I know that you want the avoid an initramfs given your experience from
> mandrake lot's of years ago. The solution now is to merge /usr to / or
> risk that one day your system won't boot.
>
> I know that some changes are hard to overcome, but that does not mean
> you can look away :-)
>

Yep, it could lead to some changes but the init thingy isn't the only change it could lead too.  I said that before and I'll say it again, I'm not going to start trying to pull my hair out over the init thingy.  First time it fails, it's been fun.  I'll just move along to something else.  I did it once a long time ago and am not so locked in that I can't do it again.  See, I can change when needed.  It's not that I don't want to learn new things, I just don't want to learn old failed things.

Dale

:-)  :-)

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