From: Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 16:04:37 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5246E1F5.9050302@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5246BE35.3010408@libertytrek.org>
On 28/09/2013 13:32, Tanstaafl wrote:
> On 2013-09-27 7:10 PM, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
>> No really,*why exactly*?
>
> Because that was the RECOMMENDED WAY IN THE GENTOO HANDBOOK when I first
> set this system up many years ago.
This was something almost all of us recommended way back then. Lord only
knows why we recommeded that. Maybe it was small drives (which didn't
have), maybe it was different mount options (which I never did and never
saw anyone else do either), or maybe it was for thin clients (which I
only ever saw in use once - Shuttleworth labs in University of Cape Town).
So why did we all (and I included myself) recommend this so much? Dude,
I have no idea, but I *think* we were cargo-culting more than any other
single factor.
> I have no philosophical reason reason to stick with it, only a (maybe
> irrational) fear of breaking things if I attempt to merge it back into /.
>
> This, combined with an intense (also maybe irrational) desire to avoid
> like the plague using an initramfs, is why this decision to FORCE me
> into a position of possibly having to break my system (either by a filed
> attempt at merging /usr into /, or a failed attampt at using an initramfs).
No-one is forcing you to do anything, the news item did not say that.
It says that if you do it, the devs will not support you and you are on
your own. It also says that in the dev's opinion, the day when you can
no longer support it either is probably not too far away
> I too sincerely hope eudev bypasses this issue.
This has nothing to do with eudev, not with udev
> The main thing about this that pisses me off is the lack of enough
> warning... one month? Really? One month to compleyelt rebuild a seerver
> that has been running flawlessly for many years, just because someone
> doesn't like something that has been done for many years?
First, it is not one month, it is much longer. We've all been whinging
about the issue for most of this year. Two, why do you think you need to
rebuild the entire machine? You don't need to do that just to merge two
filesystems.
To merge two filesystems, you just merge two filesystems. You don't
rebuild anything. You might have some downtime though
Please see the news item for what it actually is, not something else.
--
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com
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2013-09-27 22:21 [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01 Bruce Hill
2013-09-27 22:33 ` Dale
2013-09-27 22:39 ` Bruce Hill
2013-09-27 22:57 ` Dale
2013-09-27 23:10 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-27 23:47 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-09-28 0:39 ` David W Noon
2013-09-28 8:30 ` Mick
2013-09-28 8:42 ` Dale
2013-09-28 12:30 ` Bruce Hill
2013-09-28 12:49 ` David W Noon
2013-09-28 12:54 ` Bruce Hill
2013-09-29 14:20 ` Tanstaafl
2013-09-29 14:57 ` Bruce Hill
2013-09-29 17:24 ` Tanstaafl
2013-09-29 17:41 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2013-09-29 18:02 ` Bruce Hill
2013-09-29 18:29 ` Tanstaafl
2013-09-28 11:32 ` Tanstaafl
2013-09-28 13:15 ` Michael Hampicke
2013-09-28 15:06 ` Dale
2013-09-28 16:54 ` Mick
2013-09-28 17:49 ` Michael Hampicke
2013-09-28 18:18 ` Dale
2013-09-28 22:46 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-29 14:49 ` Tanstaafl
2013-09-29 15:24 ` Dale
2013-09-29 17:37 ` Tanstaafl
2013-09-29 18:25 ` Dale
2013-09-29 18:45 ` Tanstaafl
2013-09-29 21:23 ` Walter Dnes
2013-09-29 21:32 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-09-29 21:33 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-29 23:05 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-09-29 21:35 ` Dale
2013-09-29 22:58 ` Tanstaafl
2013-09-29 23:27 ` Dale
2013-09-30 17:10 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-09-30 17:25 ` Tanstaafl
2013-09-30 17:42 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-09-30 19:10 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-30 20:47 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-10-01 3:36 ` Bruce Hill
2013-10-01 7:37 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-09-30 20:48 ` Dale
2013-09-30 21:04 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-10-01 1:43 ` Dale
2013-09-29 23:19 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-09-29 23:34 ` Dale
2013-09-30 8:09 ` Joost Roeleveld
2013-09-29 18:45 ` Bruce Hill
2013-09-30 16:38 ` Dan Johansson
2013-09-30 18:09 ` Mark David Dumlao
2013-09-30 20:08 ` Dan Johansson
2013-09-30 20:50 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-09-29 15:41 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2013-09-29 20:17 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-29 14:30 ` Tanstaafl
2013-09-28 14:04 ` Alan McKinnon [this message]
2013-09-28 18:11 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-09-28 19:50 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-09-28 22:51 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-29 14:55 ` Tanstaafl
2013-09-29 17:55 ` Tanstaafl
2013-09-29 20:28 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-29 23:31 ` Daniel Campbell
2013-09-29 23:57 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-09-30 10:01 ` Hinnerk van Bruinehsen
2013-09-30 10:22 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-10-02 23:28 ` [gentoo-user] " Jonathan Callen
2013-09-30 9:31 ` [gentoo-user] " Alan McKinnon
2013-09-30 10:27 ` Daniel Campbell
2013-09-30 10:28 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-28 0:32 ` Bruce Hill
2013-09-28 16:01 ` William Hubbs
2013-09-28 17:31 ` Dale
2013-09-28 19:53 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-09-28 22:15 ` Dale
2013-09-28 22:46 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-09-28 23:09 ` Dale
2013-09-29 5:29 ` Walter Dnes
2013-09-29 8:25 ` Mick
2013-09-29 8:28 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-29 10:55 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-09-29 11:03 ` Greg Woodbury
2013-09-29 11:58 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-09-29 15:12 ` Flexibility and robustness in the Linux organisim (was: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01) Greg Woodbury
2013-09-29 15:22 ` Alon Bar-Lev
2013-09-29 16:03 ` [gentoo-user] Re: Flexibility and robustness in the Linux organisim Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-09-29 16:33 ` Dale
2013-09-29 19:42 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-29 21:41 ` Dale
2013-09-29 22:04 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-30 6:31 ` pk
2013-09-30 7:32 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-30 19:40 ` pk
2013-09-30 21:05 ` Walter Dnes
2013-09-30 22:37 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-10-11 8:16 ` [gentoo-user] " Steven J. Long
2013-10-11 8:44 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-10-11 14:44 ` Mark David Dumlao
2013-10-01 19:22 ` [gentoo-user] " Mark David Dumlao
2013-10-01 19:28 ` Mark David Dumlao
2013-10-11 7:54 ` [gentoo-user] " Steven J. Long
2013-10-11 7:50 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-10-11 11:22 ` [gentoo-user] " Steven J. Long
2013-09-29 16:41 ` [gentoo-user] " Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (klondike)
2013-09-29 22:47 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-09-30 23:21 ` Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (klondike)
2013-10-01 5:11 ` Mark David Dumlao
2013-10-01 5:14 ` Mark David Dumlao
2013-10-01 16:35 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-10-11 8:28 ` [gentoo-user] " Steven J. Long
2013-10-11 15:50 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-09-29 17:54 ` [gentoo-user] " Tanstaafl
2013-09-29 19:30 ` [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01 Alan McKinnon
2013-10-08 0:03 ` [gentoo-user] " walt
2013-10-08 18:11 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-10-09 4:16 ` William Hubbs
2013-10-10 0:24 ` walt
2013-10-10 14:46 ` William Hubbs
2013-10-10 15:29 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-10-11 6:59 ` Nicolas Sebrecht
2013-09-29 18:46 ` [gentoo-user] " Neil Bothwick
2013-10-02 16:58 ` the
2013-09-29 19:16 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-30 2:23 ` [gentoo-user] " »Q«
2013-09-29 18:41 ` [gentoo-user] " Neil Bothwick
2013-09-29 21:48 ` Dale
2013-09-29 23:12 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-09-29 17:43 ` Tanstaafl
2013-09-29 18:53 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-09-29 19:54 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-29 20:20 ` Mark David Dumlao
2013-09-29 22:00 ` Dale
2013-09-29 22:31 ` Mark David Dumlao
2013-09-29 23:08 ` Dale
2013-09-30 7:35 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-30 9:27 ` Dale
2013-09-29 23:40 ` Daniel Campbell
2013-09-30 7:39 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-28 19:04 ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-09-28 20:17 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-09-28 21:09 ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-09-28 22:37 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-09-29 4:48 ` Greg Woodbury
2013-09-29 5:08 ` Bruce Hill
2013-09-29 8:43 ` Dale
2013-09-29 12:07 ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-09-29 16:10 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-09-29 22:06 ` Walter Dnes
2013-09-29 23:00 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-09-30 4:14 ` Walter Dnes
2013-09-30 4:21 ` Mark David Dumlao
2013-09-30 4:36 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2013-09-30 9:25 ` Walter Dnes
2013-09-30 8:01 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-30 10:32 ` Joost Roeleveld
2013-09-30 10:41 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-30 8:19 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-09-29 23:24 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-09-29 17:55 ` Tanstaafl
2013-09-29 18:30 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-09-28 22:24 ` Dale
2013-09-29 17:58 ` Tanstaafl
2013-09-29 18:21 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2013-09-29 18:32 ` Tanstaafl
2013-09-29 19:11 ` William Hubbs
2013-09-29 19:34 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2013-09-29 19:41 ` Alon Bar-Lev
2013-09-29 23:02 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-09-29 23:52 ` Greg Woodbury
2013-09-30 0:02 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-10-11 8:36 ` [gentoo-user] " Steven J. Long
2013-10-11 8:42 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-10-11 11:27 ` [gentoo-user] " Steven J. Long
2013-10-11 11:55 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-10-11 13:11 ` Peter Humphrey
2013-10-11 13:58 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-10-12 2:21 ` [gentoo-user] " walt
2013-10-12 5:06 ` Daniel Campbell
2013-10-12 8:11 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-09-29 14:53 ` [gentoo-user] " Tanstaafl
2013-09-29 15:39 ` Dale
2013-09-30 4:55 ` [gentoo-user] " »Q«
2013-09-30 9:24 ` Dale
2013-09-29 18:36 ` [gentoo-user] " Neil Bothwick
2013-09-30 10:16 ` Joost Roeleveld
2013-09-30 10:24 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-09-30 10:35 ` Joost Roeleveld
2013-09-29 17:59 ` Tanstaafl
2013-09-29 20:09 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-29 20:35 ` Tanstaafl
2013-09-30 10:20 ` Joost Roeleveld
2013-09-28 20:43 ` [gentoo-user] " Nikos Chantziaras
2013-09-28 20:58 ` Alon Bar-Lev
2013-09-28 22:36 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-28 23:23 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-09-28 23:31 ` pk
2013-09-29 0:01 ` Dale
2013-09-29 0:10 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-29 0:33 ` pk
2013-09-29 4:05 ` Bruce Hill
2013-09-29 10:59 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-09-29 15:24 ` pk
2013-09-29 16:11 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-09-29 16:36 ` Dale
2013-09-29 17:05 ` pk
2013-09-29 0:08 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-29 10:59 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-09-29 6:06 ` Walter Dnes
2013-09-29 9:30 ` pk
2013-09-29 10:21 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-09-29 17:55 ` Tanstaafl
2013-09-29 18:55 ` William Hubbs
2013-09-29 19:09 ` Tanstaafl
2013-10-09 13:39 ` gottlieb
2013-09-29 20:39 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-29 20:51 ` Tanstaafl
2013-09-29 21:15 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-29 22:53 ` Tanstaafl
2013-09-29 23:09 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-09-30 9:00 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-30 17:25 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-09-30 19:14 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-09-30 22:05 ` Mick
2013-09-30 22:39 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-10-01 12:35 ` PORTDIR default - changing PORTDIR variable - WAS " Tanstaafl
2013-10-01 12:46 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-10-01 13:52 ` Tanstaafl
2013-10-01 14:11 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-10-01 14:57 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-10-01 14:17 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-10-01 13:13 ` Dragostin Yanev
2013-10-01 14:14 ` Michael Orlitzky
2013-10-01 18:15 ` Tanstaafl
2013-10-01 18:48 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-10-01 21:24 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-10-01 22:51 ` Greg Turner
2013-10-01 23:41 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-10-02 12:23 ` Tanstaafl
2013-10-02 15:31 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-10-02 18:24 ` Tanstaafl
2013-10-02 20:21 ` Tanstaafl
2013-12-04 15:05 ` [gentoo-user] Re: PORTDIR default - changing PORTDIR variable Tanstaafl
2013-12-04 21:43 ` Tanstaafl
2013-12-04 22:44 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-12-05 11:47 ` Tanstaafl
2013-10-03 5:48 ` PORTDIR default - changing PORTDIR variable - WAS Re: [gentoo-user] Re: separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01 joost
2013-10-03 8:11 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-10-02 12:04 ` Tanstaafl
2013-10-02 12:12 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-10-02 12:29 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-10-02 12:28 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-10-02 12:53 ` Tanstaafl
2013-10-02 15:47 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-10-02 16:39 ` Neil Bothwick
2013-10-03 9:00 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2013-10-03 12:09 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2013-10-02 8:03 ` [gentoo-user] Re: PORTDIR default - changing PORTDIR variable Thanasis
2013-09-30 0:28 ` [gentoo-user] Re: separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01 Daniel Campbell
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