From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 860F01381F3 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2013 17:16:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BB0ADE0FB8; Fri, 6 Sep 2013 17:15:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ea0-f181.google.com (mail-ea0-f181.google.com [209.85.215.181]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8F036E0F7C for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2013 17:15:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ea0-f181.google.com with SMTP id d10so1779344eaj.12 for ; Fri, 06 Sep 2013 10:15:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=zoa94Xm7RF5nhcQ/CkWLzFY4wF+E30sNebV3dTGilJA=; b=kDpMTZa5c4+J/3/fqBxb2SKVRcEF4Z7ieibPth+Jr3/etDucx9FRtrkTe0Jt7c3IcU TWXNDXLKUCPGCl8om8lx3QugrhwSg9Qs6R4oujyUqXEqM6ZZiv14Ig9EVBqGjHXLCD7p 6Ab1jVZtPXh24PoeUJx79UmVquyJMONfMQ3x6xcCxXqyqe5VKhr/tsEA63IRo3fc55Tf 8OvBHU3Z3ZNp6QxZ7gs2Ciwe6yHnrA2VRVbkVbULO7CyDYK3Vtu7roAShgm9MIuNqFeb LUR0OGlkMhwNjNB3V/r7GB1H6Ttj3e3AwfcTBD0KLQrssjmc3iFkW6U4mRKwCpuW7YBo oLDQ== X-Received: by 10.14.89.72 with SMTP id b48mr5538371eef.43.1378487754039; Fri, 06 Sep 2013 10:15:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.0.11] ([88.151.74.135]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id j7sm2691963eeo.15.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 06 Sep 2013 10:15:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <522A0D2C.7070603@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2013 19:13:16 +0200 From: Jarry User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] No mailer for Gentoo??? References: <5229EE4E.7070003@gmail.com> <5229F129.6000307@orlitzky.com> <5229F373.6020206@gmail.com> <5229F590.1050106@orlitzky.com> <5229F9FC.8080307@gmail.com> <522A0951.5040708@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <522A0951.5040708@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archives-Salt: 70150e9e-bdf9-4b78-9a23-07f5e99a7c1d X-Archives-Hash: 80d299c27900922d8631acbc53e64e7b On 06-Sep-13 18:56, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 06/09/2013 18:21, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: >> On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: >>> On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Jarry wrote: >>>> On 06-Sep-13 17:32, Michael Orlitzky wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On 09/06/2013 11:23 AM, Jarry wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It wasn't part of @system before, you just removed the thing that pulled >>>>>>> it in. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> No I did not. mail-mta/ssmtp was part of stage3. And I did not >>>>>> remove now any "thing" that pulled it in. All I did was >>>>>> "emerge --ask --update --deep --newuse world". >>>>>> >>>>>> As a result, python-exec, python-argparse and libxml2 were >>>>>> reinstalled and automake-wrapper, gtk-doc-am, eselect and >>>>>> linux-header updated. Nothing else. >>>>>> >>>>>> After that I did "emerge --depclean" and the above mentioned >>>>>> packages were suddenly removed... >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It could be that a package's deps were updated to no longer include >>>>> virtual/mta. But it was never part of @system, you can check for yourself: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://sources.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/packages?view=log >>>> >>>> >>>> Then something got broken because I have packages installed >>>> that need mailer (i.e. app-admin/monit or sys-fs/mdadm are >>>> configured to send emails). And these packages do not have >>>> "mail" use-flag, because their maintainers apparently expect >>>> standard *nix mailer (/usr/bin/sendmail) exists on the system... >>>> >>>> So now I have "stable" system, updated to the latest level, >>>> where a lot of things suddenly do not work. This should *never* >>>> happen! If it was some package's dep that caused it, it's clear >>>> this change was premature... >>> >>> I think is a bug in the packages. In my system the only package that >>> pulls vitual/mta (and therefore ssmtp) is vixie-cron. >> >> The change happened in the cron eclass: >> >> http://sources.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/eclass/cron.eclass?r1=1.15&r2=1.16 >> >> From the commit log: "Per extensive discussion with zmedico about >> removing the need for package.provided, several packages have been >> changed, like sudo, to not explicitly require an mta. Cron will >> follow, leaving mta support optional." >> >> The rationale (I suppose) is that the programs in question still work, >> just the sending of emails fails. >> >> Good riddance, if you ask me. If you need/want an MTA, just install >> ssmtp by hand. > > > Agreed. It's a bit daft relying on a cron daemon to be the only package > pulling in a mailer. One can't even argue that it makes sense as a > default - cron merely has this feature to notify the root user if a cron > job wrote something to STDOUT. > > That's a notification. It is not an absolute need to have sendmail. > > If you want a syslogger, install a syslogger. > If you want a print server, install a print server. > Likewise, if you want a mailer, install one. If I want syslog-support, I add "syslog" to USE. If I want ssl-support, I add "ssl" to USE. If I want perl-support, I add "perl" to USE. If I want mta-support, I add... wait, no! I can not add "mta" to USE, I have to install mta manually... Got the picture now? 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