Re: [gentoo-user] No mailer for Gentoo???

[Jarry <mr.jarry@gmail.com>]

On 06-Sep-13 18:29, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Jarry <mr.jarry@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 06-Sep-13 18:14, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Jarry <mr.jarry@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 06-Sep-13 17:32, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 09/06/2013 11:23 AM, Jarry wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It wasn't part of @system before, you just removed the thing that
>>>>>>> pulled
>>>>>>> it in.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No I did not. mail-mta/ssmtp was part of stage3. And I did not
>>>>>> remove now any "thing" that pulled it in. All I did was
>>>>>> "emerge --ask --update --deep --newuse world".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As a result, python-exec, python-argparse and libxml2 were
>>>>>> reinstalled and automake-wrapper, gtk-doc-am, eselect and
>>>>>> linux-header updated. Nothing else.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> After that I did "emerge --depclean" and the above mentioned
>>>>>> packages were suddenly removed...
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It could be that a package's deps were updated to no longer include
>>>>> virtual/mta. But it was never part of @system, you can check for
>>>>> yourself:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://sources.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/packages?view=log
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Then something got broken because I have packages installed
>>>> that need mailer (i.e. app-admin/monit or sys-fs/mdadm are
>>>> configured to send emails). And these packages do not have
>>>> "mail" use-flag, because their maintainers apparently expect
>>>> standard *nix mailer (/usr/bin/sendmail) exists on the system...
>>>>
>>>> So now I have "stable" system, updated to the latest level,
>>>> where a lot of things suddenly do not work. This should *never*
>>>> happen! If it was some package's dep that caused it, it's clear
>>>> this change was premature...
>>>
>>>
>>> I think is a bug in the packages. In my system the only package that
>>> pulls vitual/mta (and therefore ssmtp) is vixie-cron.
>>
>>
>> That is strange. I have sys-process/vixie-cron-4.1-r12 and yet
>> revdep-rebuild does not want to pull virtual/mta. But It should,
>> as cron can be configured to send emails too.
>
> Read my last mail; they changed the RDEPEND for the cron eclass.
>
>> As I wrote: there are *many* packages that expect standard
>> *nix mailer exists! If it does not, a lot of packages must
>> be fixed to include mailer as dependency.
>
> The devs disagree. I think I'm with them; the packages in question
> actually work, it just happens that they can't send mails anymore. If
> you need/want them to send mails, install an MTA.
>

"Just" can't send mails. So if mdadm detects failed drive in raid1
and I do not get mail about it, I will discover it at least when
the 2nd drive fails. That's a relief...

Why is there no global use-variable "mta"? Why not even local
for packages that might use mailer? This goes completely against
Gentoo-principles, if user has to search which other packages are
required and install them manually. Is it not what we have
use-flags for?

Jarry
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