From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B9141381F3 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 14:38:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C5982E0E03; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 14:37:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from homiemail-a78.g.dreamhost.com (caibbdcaaaaf.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.5]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81F2CE0D7F for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 14:37:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from homiemail-a78.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a78.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEB2920004748 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 07:37:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=libertytrek.org; h= message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s= libertytrek.org; bh=D3DagEqC9kcKspUyjoFcSBjMp2g=; b=GOet/2kXn2Q7 T2dpeMT2+rpYxVCd9rhd94nzyqhkXP3Hu4Co1gWaQaGPUo5Kzd8BkkKJg2J4YXT/ 9T41JuCiUT6ugUsDhjwxSuYyKQy2C3dsvupn7jvRJx/4T3w+lpNaFbioSetpS/Rn 0LSE63/B2rkfm3ySljd8JZsvBid2vtg= Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [159.63.145.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: tanstaafl@libertytrek.org) by homiemail-a78.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B43D620004743 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 07:37:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5220AE1F.20601@libertytrek.org> Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 10:37:19 -0400 From: Tanstaafl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] where did lvm installation guide go? References: <87r4dcbisz.fsf@nyu.edu> <87sixschz7.fsf@nyu.edu> <87wqn4ar3w.fsf@nyu.edu> <52203746.3090203@gmail.com> <522046B3.3060209@gmail.com> <5220A68D.1080407@libertytrek.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 0fad4897-1cc0-44f8-92a2-e5a3bd2dec30 X-Archives-Hash: fb0d319a768080bf64e16a878d3b9e7d On 2013-08-30 10:28 AM, Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s = wrote: > udev/eudev has nothing to do with it. It's the init systems (as in > both systemd and OpenRC) the ones that are pushing/have pushed for > dropping support for it. In Gentoo, the move is being championed by > William Hubs: > > http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.project/2946 > > He's the OpenRC maintainer. NOBODY who has actually worked on the > problem wants to support a separate /usr without an initramfs, because > it makes no sense. Please stop making such false statements. It only makes no sense because of *other* decisions being made that want=20 to force files critical to booting to be placed into /usr. There is no *philosophical* reason that it 'makes no sense. > So it doesn't matter if you use udev, eudev, mdev or even a static > /dev directory; no init system wants to support a separate /usr > without an initramfs. Just fyi... the *only* problem that I have with this is that I have an=20 *existing* system that has a separate /usr, and it only has that=20 separate /usr because when I followed the original gentoo installation=20 handbook back in 2003 or so, it actually had a separate /usr in the=20 example directory structure layout, so I thought it was the official=20 gentoo *recommendation* to do it that way. If I wasn't in this predicament, I'd just make a mental note to never=20 install /usr to a separate partition and be done with it. > And for a good reason: is braindead. Again - it is only braindead if you accept the basic premise that it=20 'makes sense' to put files critical to the boot process into /usr. Personally, I think it only 'makes sense' to put files critical to the=20 boot process into /boot.