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From: Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@libertytrek.org>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] where did lvm installation guide go?
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 10:37:19 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5220AE1F.20601@libertytrek.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CADPrc83CcOS221CXt=ZrSNJhWR16VcYkdbMOuv6N0Rw3SPr9Eg@mail.gmail.com>

On 2013-08-30 10:28 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés <caneko@gmail.com> wrote:
> udev/eudev has nothing to do with it. It's the init systems (as in
> both systemd and OpenRC) the ones that are pushing/have pushed for
> dropping support for it. In Gentoo, the move is being championed by
> William Hubs:
>
> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.project/2946
>
> He's the OpenRC maintainer. NOBODY who has actually worked on the
> problem wants to support a separate /usr without an initramfs, because
> it makes no sense.

Please stop making such false statements.

It only makes no sense because of *other* decisions being made that want 
to force files critical to booting to be placed into /usr.

There is no *philosophical* reason that it 'makes no sense.

> So it doesn't matter if you use udev, eudev, mdev or even a static
> /dev directory; no init system wants to support a separate /usr
> without an initramfs.

Just fyi... the *only* problem that I have with this is that I have an 
*existing* system that has a separate /usr, and it only has that 
separate /usr because when I followed the original gentoo installation 
handbook back in 2003 or so, it actually had a separate /usr in the 
example directory structure layout, so I thought it was the official 
gentoo *recommendation* to do it that way.

If I wasn't in this predicament, I'd just make a mental note to never 
install /usr to a separate partition and be done with it.

> And for a good reason: is braindead.

Again - it is only braindead if you accept the basic premise that it 
'makes sense' to put files critical to the boot process into /usr.

Personally, I think it only 'makes sense' to put files critical to the 
boot process into <gasp!> /boot.


  reply	other threads:[~2013-08-30 14:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-08-29 15:47 [gentoo-user] where did lvm installation guide go? gottlieb
2013-08-29 16:56 ` [gentoo-user] " James
2013-08-29 21:02   ` gottlieb
2013-08-29 17:29 ` [gentoo-user] " Canek Peláez Valdés
2013-08-29 21:19   ` gottlieb
2013-08-30  0:30     ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2013-08-30  1:45       ` gottlieb
2013-08-30  2:29         ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2013-08-30  5:21         ` J. Roeleveld
2013-08-30  5:36           ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2013-08-30  6:10             ` Alan McKinnon
2013-08-30  7:16               ` Dale
2013-08-30 14:05                 ` Tanstaafl
2013-08-30 14:28                   ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2013-08-30 14:37                     ` Tanstaafl [this message]
2013-08-30 14:38                       ` Alan McKinnon
2013-08-30 14:59                         ` Tanstaafl
2013-08-30 14:56                       ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2013-08-31 11:31                       ` [gentoo-user] " Nicolas Sebrecht
2013-08-30 14:13               ` [gentoo-user] " Canek Peláez Valdés
2013-08-30  5:47         ` Alan McKinnon
2013-08-30  7:17           ` Dale
2013-08-30  5:21   ` J. Roeleveld
2013-08-30  6:13     ` Alan McKinnon
2013-08-30  5:21   ` J. Roeleveld
2013-08-30  5:20 ` J. Roeleveld
2013-08-30 15:18   ` gottlieb
2013-08-30 16:48     ` joost
2013-08-30 19:18     ` Alan McKinnon
2013-08-31 14:18       ` gottlieb

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