Re: [gentoo-user] Jitsi or Other Skype Alternative

["Yuri K. Shatroff" <yks-uno@yandex.ru>]

On 23.08.2013 19:58, hasufell wrote:
> On 08/23/2013 05:48 PM, Marc Stürmer wrote:
>> Am 23.08.2013 12:50, schrieb the:
 >> [ ... ]
>> The point for Skype, last time I am going to repeat that, is that it
>> works out of the box for the normal user and the large user base.
>
> And that is still wrong. If it works for you, fine. There are enough
> users who have a LOT of trouble with it. Again: read the bugtrackers, I do.

(Again, I'm not a skypodefender in any way)
Please recommend us a bugtracker for an actively developing software 
which has, well, considerably fewer bugs. (Add to this: multiplatform, 
multiuser, network-based etc)

> And even better: you cannot file bug reports properly (at least from
> what I see the skype jira is gone) and cannot read/fix code.
>
> You are lured into believing it's a good piece of software that works
> out of the box, because all they do is good advertisement and increasing
> their userbase with some shiny features. Even worse: distro maintainers
> have trouble with it, need to apply hacks or don't even include it at
> all because of the nasty license. How does that improve "out-of-the-box"
> experience?

Your view is simply different from the view of most software users. A 
"good piece of software" for them is not what is well-coded or 
well-maintained or well-licensed or well-whatever. All they need is 
matching their expectations. You may be 146% correct about troubles and 
hacks but this doesn't change the average joe's expectations. And yes, 
in most situations skype does work out-of-the-box. Sad, but true.

> Next you will tell us windows works out of the box.

It does, in most situations. Sad, but true.

> I mean, wtf are you talking about? It doesn't make any sense. And
> doesn't even add anything to this topic.

That's all about off-topic.
But not acknowledging the truth doesn't add anything either.
Do people hate Windows or other proprietary stuff because of its bugs? 
Or because of its not working OOTB? In my experience, I'd probably 
number a thousand more times of open-source software not working OOTB 
and being buggy than Windows/etc. But I still adhere to OSS.
I don't think that having an 'ideal' piece of proprietary software would 
change an open-source adept's mind towards PS. But neither I think that 
emphasizing PS' problems which are common to all software will help 
people turn to the open-source side.

-- 
Best wishes,
Yuri K. Shatroff