From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 311A31381F3 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 15:49:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F3F9EE0BB1; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 15:48:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.no-carrier.info (kraftzwerg.no-carrier.info [87.98.242.129]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C65AFE0B66 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 15:48:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.no-carrier.info (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB53D200B22 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 17:48:51 +0200 (CEST) X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Class: Innocent X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.99 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: N/A X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at Received: from mail.no-carrier.info ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.no-carrier.info [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id oiJIl0ihJPlO for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 17:48:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.129] (p54947F38.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.148.127.56]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: mail@marc-stuermer.de) by mail.no-carrier.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1411620070D for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 17:48:51 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <5217845C.6010608@marc-stuermer.de> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 17:48:44 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?TWFyYyBTdMO8cm1lcg==?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Jitsi or Other Skype Alternative References: <20130820151232.GA2420@artifex> <52163318.7010106@marc-stuermer.de> <52163518.7010209@gentoo.org> <521636D9.7040808@marc-stuermer.de> <52163779.90809@gentoo.org> <4F04DC38-FF96-4F31-A75D-8EF398D73C7D@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> <52172E9E.60405@mail.ru> <52173E73.4030302@mail.ru> In-Reply-To: <52173E73.4030302@mail.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 420abce1-6d3b-4ee2-be07-3abc69228d33 X-Archives-Hash: 2748d2d4c880c02a49e3c51fa45d2d6e Am 23.08.2013 12:50, schrieb the: > Does that mean that I should buy hardware to match software requirements? Do you really want to tell me that you are still working on a Pentium 133 with maybe 64 MB of RAM? I mean it has always been like that: people buy indeed hardware to match software requirements, e.g. to play better games or to watch Youtube videos in High Definition. Of course no one is going to force you to do so, so if you are happy with less power you need less, of course. The point for Skype, last time I am going to repeat that, is that it works out of the box for the normal user and the large user base. You need no bachelor in computer sciences to set it up and get it running, even your proverbial grandma in mind is able to do that. And that's what 99% of Skype frankly care about at all: that it works that way. They don't really care about nerdy themes like bugs, privacy concerns, backdoors, whatever - it works for them good enough, cheap and reliable and that's what's counts at all. So if you really want a piece of software to replace Skype, it depends on your goals: just for talking over the internet you can take a VoIP-program like Ekiga and so on. But if you want to replace Skype with something better, you first need to recognize why it got so popular in first place and make something even better for its user base. Or - another way - just buy the company behind it. And in modern times like ours I personally and frankly think that telling "OMFG Skype uses so much RAM" is not really something most people care about anymore at all. I mean, even really cheap computers you can buy today, have at last around 4 GB of RAM, being a multitude of RAM being necessary to run Skype smoothly. And because most Gentoo users are being used to compile their own stuff (until they use Sabayon), their computers are normally being far from underpowered. Of course, if you do care about it - don't use it, it is that simple. But don't expect the rest of it to share your point of view and do it likewise. For normal users it is like: all software sucks and they tend to use that piece of software which sucks less for them. If their favorite piece of software starts to suck more, then they are going to another piece of software, but not before.