From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 938781381F3 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 14:50:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EB7C2E0BBE; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 14:49:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp52.i.mail.ru (smtp52.i.mail.ru [94.100.177.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7F883E0BB1 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 14:49:55 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mail.ru; s=mail2; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=jZTgh32Vun9pXFFhE24INefKjyH/uaboZ5S/Dk4vXwg=; b=O3meOj014mIFVsOImVRWUVHlDKYf+X/zruMk5+znBMx7EMQq1Z/TShF/hq2a+3a/FOCLQBqQ5MtKcuYrawKyMw7t29Zqs6wqo1AyHawp9+aYAOmFEoaeiG+mjSQdQrhWZjNk0CR0lbgHcMdwvJRrJb0NjtNJ3I7oIsxv7Of2uYY=; Received: from [95.221.11.45] (port=33782) by smtp52.i.mail.ru with esmtpa (envelope-from ) id 1VCsgS-0002Nj-QH for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 18:49:53 +0400 Message-ID: <5217769F.8040905@mail.ru> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 18:50:07 +0400 From: the User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Jitsi or Other Skype Alternative References: <20130820151232.GA2420@artifex> <52163318.7010106@marc-stuermer.de> <52163518.7010209@gentoo.org> <521636D9.7040808@marc-stuermer.de> <52163779.90809@gentoo.org> <4F04DC38-FF96-4F31-A75D-8EF398D73C7D@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> <52172E9E.60405@mail.ru> <521746C2.9040009@yandex.ru> In-Reply-To: <521746C2.9040009@yandex.ru> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Archives-Salt: 9d27f170-288d-43dc-897a-afd2cb342629 X-Archives-Hash: 1f7a1c222ba2f18e5005a0e5a74d715c -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 08/23/13 15:25, Yuri K. Shatroff wrote: > On 23.08.2013 13:42, the wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 08/23/13 13:21, Stroller wrote: >>> >>> On 22 August 2013, at 17:08, hasufell wrote: >>>> … I was arguing from both sides. It is buggy, crashes a lot, >>>> consumes a lot of ressources and is able to slow down your >>>> whole desktop, mess with audio settings and whatnot. >>> >>> My granny never had these problems, using Skype on her PC. >> I can assure you that skype consumes tremendous amount of ram. > > Not defending Skype in any way, but tremendous is not calculable. > In these words, e.g. KDE consumes even more tremendous amounts. So > what, stop using KDE now? That's what I did. > As to bugs, don't think Skype has more bugs than KDE. Crashes, > slowdowns and UI troubles - KDE is plentiful with them. Stop using > KDE now? And it would be interesting to see a program (somewhat > more complex than printf('%s', 'Hello world'); ) which does not > suffer from all these issues. The main criterion of quality of > software is whether it suits users' needs. All that "technical" > stuff is about talking. The user never sees the code, rarely sees > the resource utilization, and what he observes most of the time is > the result of using the software. If the user manages to achieve > his goal, the software is successful. If not, the quality of code > and UI and resource consumption matter nothing. The advanced user > will probably aim at minimizing RAM usage, improving UI, opening > the source code etc. but after all software quality is only the > users' perceived matching of expectations with results. - -- Stop talking and start compiling. Linux user #557897 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.20 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSF3aeAAoJEK64IL1uI2haQskH/3SiYoZu4CxHym16Xz+748Xs +yjc/COfmAbxd5Xguaa+u5Ug5KyXalaQYbjpTYmcrTMP7lMT13ia3Hfa2UAAz5dw DPE9FQq8CM2vKlh0fIEoDjwvVDNiC9Y/dUfAa7Rs/8yw5Vk4o0Ecq5pVDVwjv3a3 fqc8l6PXytAKUSFmED+ZbYWg/tY4kZJVGFbjGRac2OJMfxD4LwZ5Vd4AAw2PXegt Oo+ZE6mgLuE+k1PyaSfaTRihJwuN9YScaHhO5e3JvomfwO4LLNTsV5gqTY01O1gM BoPyIaiktLba8HXYsaeU0mWvQNLsymSsaizYIgwD+UJlKOjjRqC1Lz8O7QDLlxc= =bNzs -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----