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On 08/21/2013 05:59 PM, Jean-Christophe Bach wrote:
> * hasufell <hasufell@gentoo.org> [21.08.2013. @16:48:10 +0200]:
> 
>> On 08/20/2013 05:12 PM, Randy Westlund wrote:
>>> I've heard several people mention jitsi, but was surprised to find that it's not in the portage tree.
>>>
>>
>> Jitsi is written in java and thus by design buggy, bloated and hard to
>> maintain.
> 
> What a categorical opinion! Developers are writing code and are making
> bugs, whatever the language they use. I am pretty sure I am able to
> write buggy, bloated and hard to maintain with Haskell, Ada, Java or any
> other language…
> It is really easy to criticize the programming language instead of
> reviewing the development methods.
> 
> The main problem of writing an ebuild for a Java application comes from
> bad habits in the Java world: people are usually distributing all
> libraries and the program in a big ball of mud. It is great for Windows
> users or for users who do not use a real packages manager, but it needs
> lot of work to have clean packages.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> JC
> 

The average java application is buggy, bloated and hard to maintain. And
that is a fact you have to realize as a distributor.

The programming language "java" is another topic and it sucks too, but
yes... you might be able to write non-buggy code.