From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DD331381F3 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 21:16:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7C60EE0C44; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 21:16:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vc0-f169.google.com (mail-vc0-f169.google.com [209.85.220.169]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3612DE0BC1 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 21:16:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vc0-f169.google.com with SMTP id ib11so746352vcb.28 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 14:16:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type; bh=YxBL6fdSL/xKFEB9KnsZFTPeSS7i8/UApwOc9YoRG7I=; b=OLYPdEajgddh56XrzC3+WZuMTJq2eg5fRGM6/Kjp+xCsJ8XDDGAbpF1UDmMQFld2lW fsK7gpHGH0/j8Kotud8Xh7kpFdRyz2eIA31GKzkLn1Kg5ChMLtruOJyZZ5dvJWo7iKfT t0zgZ4OM/y6WFENBfci4LqELj26QUr9/gfKxzbGwghWVeoXX2w5OW9YznvizHi1uVape RQYiaC+UF6mb/46MDBysg3kax8bGjkQcxF3D9m4+iIRvps1DvqorQXxXrxhABOj+lF9V rZQLPyH+iaFfUBbv5mpQzfaCcE3p2Bb9R/mNHmXZUN/RgrF7CORatledQS+oWeCvjxnV fVhg== X-Received: by 10.220.105.199 with SMTP id u7mr2851589vco.1.1377033393254; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 14:16:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (adsl-65-0-92-241.jan.bellsouth.net. [65.0.92.241]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ir5sm1060718veb.6.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 20 Aug 2013 14:16:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5213DCAF.4000606@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 16:16:31 -0500 From: Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:23.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/23.0 SeaMonkey/2.20 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Optional /usr merge in Gentoo References: <5211226F.2000000@libertytrek.org> <201308182208.43780.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> <521142A7.1020702@coolmail.se> <52121D0F.5030004@libertytrek.org> <521243C2.404@thegeezer.net> <20130819232019.149767a4@hactar.digimed.co.uk> <20130820110320.6b328728@hactar.digimed.co.uk> <3b25885ef537f466ddee4beafbec6879.squirrel@www.antarean.org> <20130820132207.30d0ea8b@digimed.co.uk> <52137842.6000408@libertytrek.org> <20130820151747.5ecc4df7@hactar.digimed.co.uk> <52137F3B.6040003@gmail.com> <20130820160012.4aae1721@hactar.digimed.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20130820160012.4aae1721@hactar.digimed.co.uk> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.2 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080304020108020604000509" X-Archives-Salt: 1f91b964-68db-4b3f-b0e9-35010f1b9e37 X-Archives-Hash: 32f711da75ea076f4bf3e33668599cc9 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080304020108020604000509 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 09:37:47 -0500, Dale wrote: > >>> Do you see the pattern, your lack of understanding is not a failing of >>> the software? This is not a technological point, or even a political >>> one, it is about being outside of your comfort zone. Using Gentoo is >>> an exercise in expanding your comfort zone. > >> It's not about comfort zone for me. It's that I do NOT want to use a >> init thingy. Period. Real simple. I had fits with that thing in the >> past and I do not want to revisit the issue again, certainly not on >> Gentoo. I'm not going to revisit hal either. I forgot the name but not >> the lesson I learned from it. > > I realise that, you do have a real knack for breaking things, and thus a > strong motivation for avoiding anything new, or that bit you in the past. > >> I might also add, I switched to grub2 a while back. The old grub worked >> fine but I wanted to go ahead and switch to the new grub since it seems >> to be ready and stable. Was that outside my comfort zone? > > almost certainly. It is for anyone used to legacy GRUB. Is it outside of > your comfort now? No, because you took the trouble to learn how to use > it. I was exactly the same with GRUB2, and with init doodahs. now I am > not only capable of using and breaking both, but also of having a good go > at cleaning up the mess afterwards :) > > You missed my whole point. You can't claim it is because it is new and outside my comfort zone because even tho grub2 was new to me, it was not outside my comfort zone. Grub2 is very little like the old grub. It is just plain outright new actually. The thing is, grub has a track record of WORKING for ME. The init thingy has a record of FAILING for me. The init thing has not changed just the tools that make them have changed. The point is, I don't care what tool is used to make the init thingy, I don't want to use one. If it fails, I don't know how to fix it any better today than I did back then. To put it simply, if a init thingy is forced on me, the first time this rig fails to boot and I can't figure out how to fix it, I'll be installing some distro that is at least faster to reinstall. This isn't the first time I have posted that either. I love my Gentoo but if it breaks and I can't fix it, it is of no use to me on my puter. I love my little car that I have had for almost 20 years but if it stops getting me from point A to point B then I need a different car. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! --------------080304020108020604000509 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 09:37:47 -0500, Dale wrote:
>
>>> Do you see the pattern, your lack of understanding is not a failing of
>>> the software? This is not a technological point, or even a political
>>> one, it is about being outside of your comfort zone. Using Gentoo is
>>> an exercise in expanding your comfort zone.
>
>> It's not about comfort zone for me.  It's that I do NOT want to use a
>> init thingy. Period.  Real simple.  I had fits with that thing in the
>> past and I do not want to revisit the issue again, certainly not on
>> Gentoo.  I'm not going to revisit hal either.  I forgot the name but not
>> the lesson I learned from it.
>
> I realise that, you do have a real knack for breaking things, and thus a
> strong motivation for avoiding anything new, or that bit you in the past.
>
>> I might also add, I switched to grub2 a while back. The old grub worked
>> fine but I wanted to go ahead and switch to the new grub since it seems
>> to be ready and stable.  Was that outside my comfort zone?
>
> almost certainly. It is for anyone used to legacy GRUB. Is it outside of
> your comfort now? No, because you took the trouble to learn how to use
> it. I was exactly the same with GRUB2, and with init doodahs. now I am
> not only capable of using and breaking both, but also of having a good go
> at cleaning up the mess afterwards :)
>
>


You missed my whole point.  You can't claim it is because it is new and outside my comfort zone because even tho grub2 was new to me, it was not outside my comfort zone.  Grub2 is very little like the old grub.  It is just plain outright new actually.  The thing is, grub has a track record of WORKING for ME.  The init thingy has a record of FAILING for me.  The init thing has not changed just the tools that make them have changed.  The point is, I don't care what tool is used to make the init thingy, I don't want to use one.  If it fails, I don't know how to fix it any better today than I did back then.

To put it simply, if a init thingy is forced on me, the first time this rig fails to boot and I can't figure out how to fix it, I'll be installing some distro that is at least faster to reinstall.  This isn't the first time I have posted that either.  I love my Gentoo but if it breaks and I can't fix it, it is of no use to me on my puter.  I love my little car that I have had for almost 20 years but if it stops getting me from point A to point B then I need a different car.

Dale

:-)  :-)

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