From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EE3E1381F3 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 14:37:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2BDAAE0D0F; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 14:37:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ve0-f182.google.com (mail-ve0-f182.google.com [209.85.128.182]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E54BE0C89 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 14:37:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ve0-f182.google.com with SMTP id m1so357853ves.41 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 07:37:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type; bh=ZTVHC+aU1vaduFGZllwqIgRAe4/otxsMOxeYUaaoWWE=; b=A1MDvb4w6G67sG/623/pU5mZMWhU2l861rCqVHWNPApI4x6CEMsI4K5anLzZ006lYA Ha2MiOHIQn6Y3yi3BNkddfngDm3MvJCnICRerpBlmy750WY8c1bvmeS+PhjZ1cpzQkOY /Kzr6SRy7XVOrbVgdz8LMTZOZQJ+Z+fk6eYmrErAJ0ejiLUcA51I0Yz3fyw4Rb4ANz9u c262MdB0/O7ee6Pn5E/HGxkdsVph4J4b8u2uQxz+pd3QVbHp35c3vZxiJGRGOKlNmn30 L08mlE7mPGp3PV1exP210mIfKkQf4IsT+rfAMfpEMbaKOtd89ESCofllPK8YQ6L9+gxl AyJw== X-Received: by 10.52.165.239 with SMTP id zb15mr223342vdb.44.1377009469714; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 07:37:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (adsl-65-0-92-241.jan.bellsouth.net. [65.0.92.241]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id a4sm222349vdk.6.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 20 Aug 2013 07:37:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <52137F3B.6040003@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 09:37:47 -0500 From: Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:23.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/23.0 SeaMonkey/2.20 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Optional /usr merge in Gentoo References: <5211226F.2000000@libertytrek.org> <201308182208.43780.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> <521142A7.1020702@coolmail.se> <52121D0F.5030004@libertytrek.org> <521243C2.404@thegeezer.net> <20130819232019.149767a4@hactar.digimed.co.uk> <20130820110320.6b328728@hactar.digimed.co.uk> <3b25885ef537f466ddee4beafbec6879.squirrel@www.antarean.org> <20130820132207.30d0ea8b@digimed.co.uk> <52137842.6000408@libertytrek.org> <20130820151747.5ecc4df7@hactar.digimed.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20130820151747.5ecc4df7@hactar.digimed.co.uk> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.2 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040904020200010107020106" X-Archives-Salt: b9a2a567-39d9-42bd-885b-014d1f13e272 X-Archives-Hash: 1c1770045854841cd83214cba27d1cf3 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040904020200010107020106 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 10:08:02 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: > >> The main thing about this whole initramfs thing is, like Dale, I just >> don't understand it. I understand grub and grub.conf. I understand >> enough about compiling a kernel to be able to get it done and be >> reasonably sure it is done right. >> >> But if my system ever failed to boot because of a problem with the >> initramfs, I basically would be hosed. > > I was the same. I learned about GRUB and then I understood it. Then I > switched to Gentoo and learned about kernel compilation and then I > understood it. A while ago, i had a need for an initramfs, so I learned > about it and now I understand it. Somewhere in this sequence I also > switched to GRUB2, which i previously had no knowledge of. > > Do you see the pattern, your lack of understanding is not a failing of > the software? This is not a technological point, or even a political one, > it is about being outside of your comfort zone. Using Gentoo is an > exercise in expanding your comfort zone. > > It's not about comfort zone for me. It's that I do NOT want to use a init thingy. Period. Real simple. I had fits with that thing in the past and I do not want to revisit the issue again, certainly not on Gentoo. I'm not going to revisit hal either. I forgot the name but not the lesson I learned from it. I might also add, I switched to grub2 a while back. The old grub worked fine but I wanted to go ahead and switch to the new grub since it seems to be ready and stable. Was that outside my comfort zone? I switched anyway because I was ready to do it. No real need but I had the experience of the old grub to rely on. At least the old grub never failed me. Init thingys has, many times. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! --------------040904020200010107020106 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 10:08:02 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote:
>
>> The main thing about this whole initramfs thing is, like Dale, I just
>> don't understand it. I understand grub and grub.conf. I understand
>> enough about compiling a kernel to be able to get it done and be
>> reasonably sure it is done right.
>>
>> But if my system ever failed to boot because of a problem with the
>> initramfs, I basically would be hosed.
>
> I was the same. I learned about GRUB and then I understood it. Then I
> switched to Gentoo and learned about kernel compilation and then I
> understood it. A while ago, i had a need for an initramfs, so I learned
> about it and now I understand it. Somewhere in this sequence I also
> switched to GRUB2, which i previously had no knowledge of.
>
> Do you see the pattern, your lack of understanding is not a failing of
> the software? This is not a technological point, or even a political one,
> it is about being outside of your comfort zone. Using Gentoo is an
> exercise in expanding your comfort zone.
>
>


It's not about comfort zone for me.  It's that I do NOT want to use a init thingy. Period.  Real simple.  I had fits with that thing in the past and I do not want to revisit the issue again, certainly not on Gentoo.  I'm not going to revisit hal either.  I forgot the name but not the lesson I learned from it.

I might also add, I switched to grub2 a while back. The old grub worked fine but I wanted to go ahead and switch to the new grub since it seems to be ready and stable.  Was that outside my comfort zone?  I switched anyway because I was ready to do it.  No real need but I had the experience of the old grub to rely on.  At least the old grub never failed me.  Init thingys has, many times.

Dale

:-)  :-)

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I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!

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