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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 07:55:43 +0200
From: Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Optional /usr merge in Gentoo
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On 20/08/2013 06:00, joost@antarean.org wrote:
> Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> J. Roeleveld wrote:
>
> On Mon, August 19, 2013 12:55, Neil Bothwick wrote:
>
> On Mon, 19 Aug 2013 11:17:06 +0100, Stroller wrote:
>
> Here's a short, very in-comprehensive list of software
> we are aware
> of that currently are not able to provide the full set
> of functionality
> when /usr is split off and not pre-mounted at boot:
> udev-pci-db/udev-usb-db and all rules depending on this
> (using the
> PCI/USB database in /usr/share), PulseAudio, NetworkManager,
> ModemManager, udisks, libatasmart, usb_modeswitch,
> gnome-color-manager,
> usbmuxd, ALSA, D-Bus, CUPS, Plymouth, LVM, hplip,
> multipath, Argyll,
> VMWare, the locale logic of most programs and a lot of
> other stuff. [1]
>
> How much of that is needed before the contents of /etc/fstab are
> mounted? I certainly don't need to run a desktop, used a 3G
> modem, play
> sounds or load a virtual machine before then. Yes, LVM may
> be needed, but
> the needed parts are in /sbin anyway, so that is a red
> herring too.
>
> It is a red herring.
> I currently use an initramfs, but that is because I decided to
> put "/" on
> LVM as well.
> When I had "/" as a normal partition and /usr on LVM, there were
> no issues
> with booting. Currently, with the initramfs, I get errors about
> / and /usr
> not being able to umount during shutdown.
>
> --
> Joost
>
>
>
>
>
> I to have / on a traditional partition, ext4, and /boot on a small ext2
> partition. Everything else is on LVM. I don't want a init thingy
> either. I had nightmares with that
> thing when I used Mandrake years
> ago. I can't recall the name of that thing that left me with no
> keyboard/mouse but I still remember that init thingy. Dang, what was
> that thing that did that? Anyway, as bad a taste as that other thing
> left, the init thingy is even worse. I still remember the init thingy
> 10 YEARS later. The other thing was a few years ago.
>
> I bet Alan remembers. I was plenty pissed. That is likely the most
> pissed I ever been on this list. If that guy had been in front of me,
> I'd be in jail. I got to many trees around here. O-o
>
> Dale
>
> :-) :-)
>
>
> I also still remember.
> Not going to mention it now. But will give a hint.
> What is the name of the computer that said: "I'm sorry Dale, I can't let
> you do that."?
bwahahahaha :-)
Yes, we all remember Dale's troubles with that thing a few years ago.
2001 was a good move and a good book too (just finished both again as it
turns out). 2010 doesn't quite match up though...
--
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com