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[196.14.169.11]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id eb3sm21243071wic.10.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 19 Aug 2013 22:59:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <521304DF.1060107@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 07:55:43 +0200 From: Alan McKinnon User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130809 Thunderbird/17.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Optional /usr merge in Gentoo References: <5211226F.2000000@libertytrek.org> <201308182208.43780.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> <521142A7.1020702@coolmail.se> <52114F82.5070608@gmail.com> <5211E5DE.2050901@coolmail.se> <0F75235D-4558-4BF8-ADF8-43A480014F4B@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> <20130819115543.44ac32d5@digimed.co.uk> <5212C27E.2020609@gmail.com> <17650cec-93eb-40b7-af3c-dd0156ecdd6f@email.android.com> In-Reply-To: <17650cec-93eb-40b7-af3c-dd0156ecdd6f@email.android.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: ae49321a-06d3-4bc7-bc4a-10e86c7c9a9a X-Archives-Hash: bffeb45dc6aa031246b850861e950e04 On 20/08/2013 06:00, joost@antarean.org wrote: > Dale wrote: > > J. Roeleveld wrote: > > On Mon, August 19, 2013 12:55, Neil Bothwick wrote: > > On Mon, 19 Aug 2013 11:17:06 +0100, Stroller wrote: > > Here's a short, very in-comprehensive list of software > we are aware > of that currently are not able to provide the full set > of functionality > when /usr is split off and not pre-mounted at boot: > udev-pci-db/udev-usb-db and all rules depending on this > (using the > PCI/USB database in /usr/share), PulseAudio, NetworkManager, > ModemManager, udisks, libatasmart, usb_modeswitch, > gnome-color-manager, > usbmuxd, ALSA, D-Bus, CUPS, Plymouth, LVM, hplip, > multipath, Argyll, > VMWare, the locale logic of most programs and a lot of > other stuff. [1] > > How much of that is needed before the contents of /etc/fstab are > mounted? I certainly don't need to run a desktop, used a 3G > modem, play > sounds or load a virtual machine before then. Yes, LVM may > be needed, but > the needed parts are in /sbin anyway, so that is a red > herring too. > > It is a red herring. > I currently use an initramfs, but that is because I decided to > put "/" on > LVM as well. > When I had "/" as a normal partition and /usr on LVM, there were > no issues > with booting. Currently, with the initramfs, I get errors about > / and /usr > not being able to umount during shutdown. > > -- > Joost > > > > > > I to have / on a traditional partition, ext4, and /boot on a small ext2 > partition. Everything else is on LVM. I don't want a init thingy > either. I had nightmares with that > thing when I used Mandrake years > ago. I can't recall the name of that thing that left me with no > keyboard/mouse but I still remember that init thingy. Dang, what was > that thing that did that? Anyway, as bad a taste as that other thing > left, the init thingy is even worse. I still remember the init thingy > 10 YEARS later. The other thing was a few years ago. > > I bet Alan remembers. I was plenty pissed. That is likely the most > pissed I ever been on this list. If that guy had been in front of me, > I'd be in jail. I got to many trees around here. O-o > > Dale > > :-) :-) > > > I also still remember. > Not going to mention it now. But will give a hint. > What is the name of the computer that said: "I'm sorry Dale, I can't let > you do that."? bwahahahaha :-) Yes, we all remember Dale's troubles with that thing a few years ago. 2001 was a good move and a good book too (just finished both again as it turns out). 2010 doesn't quite match up though... -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon@gmail.com