From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30C8D1381F3 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 01:12:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 10C1AE0D4C; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 01:12:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yh0-f50.google.com (mail-yh0-f50.google.com [209.85.213.50]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E8371E0CC5 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2013 01:12:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yh0-f50.google.com with SMTP id a41so1050079yho.23 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 18:12:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=6h4ilF2heEyPHoW1JWEsOPaJlLKz8La6zVOdNokDUCI=; b=YQXrFljSBFfiKHMyTeG93/pP6OForPsDgjDVsmJ+eK77PJK8XYcI1bLElFWkI+kiwR xUlS3Is3LLjr27Pp3FF6DLwunRe06CHPutbHnT2SxObJXt63lsTohrNVOgzAUbzRrc/7 XojU5FlSNxT89q75DdloWOE4hGHuyHf5Z7g9N7SlWtEMMKt4Gt+vk8oPegGd8GgM7UUF sZZBTlkodAUwyyLUWXuyTMxRISUViJyRhJ03Wp9gRyZDcdO3SQThVE5aL+a6+AWInyqw 5RMGCeGgzePvXVAT9d3CPfrXis7+hMkXV3/UewptCN9fNz5ISkwNcCplea+b607h41v0 HeIg== X-Received: by 10.236.203.2 with SMTP id e2mr4110057yho.60.1376961151895; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 18:12:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (adsl-65-0-92-241.jan.bellsouth.net. [65.0.92.241]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id c26sm17325077yhm.13.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 19 Aug 2013 18:12:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5212C27E.2020609@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 20:12:30 -0500 From: Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:23.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/23.0 SeaMonkey/2.20 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Optional /usr merge in Gentoo References: <5211226F.2000000@libertytrek.org> <201308182208.43780.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> <521142A7.1020702@coolmail.se> <52114F82.5070608@gmail.com> <5211E5DE.2050901@coolmail.se> <0F75235D-4558-4BF8-ADF8-43A480014F4B@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> <20130819115543.44ac32d5@digimed.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 9b71951d-26e7-4e0c-991e-496620a01b8c X-Archives-Hash: ee8ec5212538e1c4ea40f0c96a621257 J. Roeleveld wrote: > On Mon, August 19, 2013 12:55, Neil Bothwick wrote: >> On Mon, 19 Aug 2013 11:17:06 +0100, Stroller wrote: >> >>> Here's a short, very in-comprehensive list of software we are aware >>> of that currently are not able to provide the full set of functionality >>> when /usr is split off and not pre-mounted at boot: >>> udev-pci-db/udev-usb-db and all rules depending on this (using the >>> PCI/USB database in /usr/share), PulseAudio, NetworkManager, >>> ModemManager, udisks, libatasmart, usb_modeswitch, gnome-color-manager, >>> usbmuxd, ALSA, D-Bus, CUPS, Plymouth, LVM, hplip, multipath, Argyll, >>> VMWare, the locale logic of most programs and a lot of other stuff. [1] >> How much of that is needed before the contents of /etc/fstab are >> mounted? I certainly don't need to run a desktop, used a 3G modem, play >> sounds or load a virtual machine before then. Yes, LVM may be needed, but >> the needed parts are in /sbin anyway, so that is a red herring too. > It is a red herring. > I currently use an initramfs, but that is because I decided to put "/" on > LVM as well. > When I had "/" as a normal partition and /usr on LVM, there were no issues > with booting. Currently, with the initramfs, I get errors about / and /usr > not being able to umount during shutdown. > > -- > Joost > > > I to have / on a traditional partition, ext4, and /boot on a small ext2 partition. Everything else is on LVM. I don't want a init thingy either. I had nightmares with that thing when I used Mandrake years ago. I can't recall the name of that thing that left me with no keyboard/mouse but I still remember that init thingy. Dang, what was that thing that did that? Anyway, as bad a taste as that other thing left, the init thingy is even worse. I still remember the init thingy 10 YEARS later. The other thing was a few years ago. I bet Alan remembers. I was plenty pissed. That is likely the most pissed I ever been on this list. If that guy had been in front of me, I'd be in jail. I got to many trees around here. O-o Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!