From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F14B41381F3 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 20:31:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BE35CE0E87; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 20:31:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-we0-f172.google.com (mail-we0-f172.google.com [74.125.82.172]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 96B3EE0E73 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 20:31:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-we0-f172.google.com with SMTP id t60so989970wes.17 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 13:31:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ocJtiiJKMr1hb99q8SEeZfb/k3IhXmWBmDpPoaeleZU=; b=Qbj80/7V9UJiB66GuW2AFEjoU/Q/1c99zDi2hU43EQNURF5USo0LfkVGz1Y8vyu7F+ KpzfZI2a2Cogj6SlNP6zLp+4b865zR2Vl3ksnPw9dIyuxM2JucDlpFQJcKGhj3YeG/T0 Oej6M6Srht3srpapkQOAxJOEsY0y04LSkzVnijBLoH8LAsWqllrSbfSFrLPByVWkbl5y 472fOSzv+4P6GF+YqotH/qxnCsrFxzTEQ0UzrOPOHauaLltFEas1alPbOTxJqFq0GDvc BkKykE6SBG91UnL9fENlwRwUtb5BHzR6rbEGoCPUnrjSxBIyADRMLf8UaaocPuCqHXqk 0wIw== X-Received: by 10.194.240.129 with SMTP id wa1mr6210273wjc.31.1376944261302; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 13:31:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.20.0.40] (196-210-127-211.dynamic.isadsl.co.za. [196.210.127.211]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id i12sm19254639wiw.3.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 19 Aug 2013 13:31:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <52127FC0.8020304@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 22:27:44 +0200 From: Alan McKinnon User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130809 Thunderbird/17.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Optional /usr merge in Gentoo References: <5211226F.2000000@libertytrek.org> <201308182208.43780.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> <521142A7.1020702@coolmail.se> <52114F82.5070608@gmail.com> <5211E5DE.2050901@coolmail.se> <0F75235D-4558-4BF8-ADF8-43A480014F4B@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> <20130819115543.44ac32d5@digimed.co.uk> <52121F75.4060001@iinet.net.au> <20130819170337.GA28858@dethkomp> In-Reply-To: <20130819170337.GA28858@dethkomp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 51339aee-ce08-4047-94ce-77ffe93b3ce3 X-Archives-Hash: 7cab76f35d6a53e739f58d1e9ce0f269 On 19/08/2013 19:03, Yohan Pereira wrote: > On 19/08/13 at 09:36pm, William Kenworthy wrote: >> So why not a profile so those guys who want to play can get a >> configuration that better suits them? - and vice versa if the whole >> systemd push dies and Redhat drops it as I doubt anyone else big enough >> will pick it up (they have a foot in both camps at the moment). Smaller >> distros that jump entirely systemd will be in trouble until they move back. > > Not a systemd supporter in any way but I don't think making a profile > makes sense because we already have profiles for kde, gnome, desktop > etc. Users will probably want to use systemd in-conjunction with any one > of those, so we would need to have kde-systemd, gnome-systemd .. which > is absurd. > > At least I don't see a sane way to achieve it from my > rudimentary understanding of profiles. The only way it could be done is to have additive profiles, i.e. a collection of possible profiles such as gnome, kde, openrc, systemd - pick all that apply. This very rapidly cascades into a total nightmare when one profile say to include thing X and another says to exclude thing X. There's no sane default handling for that, one has to install local policy that applies a precedence rule. USE=systemd is far better (ignoring for the moment the difficulties in actually switching the service manager over) -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon@gmail.com