From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BFF81381F3 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 09:54:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 148ACE0E02; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 09:53:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yh0-f52.google.com (mail-yh0-f52.google.com [209.85.213.52]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0A76AE0DF3 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 09:53:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yh0-f52.google.com with SMTP id f11so761890yha.39 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 02:53:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Xm2GKnTmh51/SIiPQaRf9TwZV5qx7V8Pt753uhVRgSQ=; b=scVIeKBDOKnzlG8KvtSwYuICGc1LmR/St7jmoqdr568+oAbGNJPjvGALg+EI/OzFH9 1P45QReGq36gzzKsPHaSXNscvg8Q6vLdlKItJtUkPbfloLJspgsNssFG9aVPlKUBhy1y BzURAKij6DPGRarJgAMWrSoMcptWzkogkL3WZAl0KdZZjW/gONIgi0bTJrPBwzy0lffb JRpGPFSbfFQTrdH6urrZmA/owQqrg25cCQAOPYE44ESWyycgq8f/fJ7BTGQ7A5oamsCn 5r680HjeGQtDUqyUbWzBIsejLPazB7Q+zWCg+5s3IDV2dbix7goCJGRWCc5Wvtumd9Yx o1qg== X-Received: by 10.236.139.198 with SMTP id c46mr47558yhj.78.1376906016145; Mon, 19 Aug 2013 02:53:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (adsl-65-0-92-241.jan.bellsouth.net. [65.0.92.241]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id g25sm12871111yhg.6.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 19 Aug 2013 02:53:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5211EB1E.6080900@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 04:53:34 -0500 From: Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:23.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/23.0 SeaMonkey/2.20 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Optional /usr merge in Gentoo References: <5211226F.2000000@libertytrek.org> <201308182208.43780.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> <521142A7.1020702@coolmail.se> <52114F82.5070608@gmail.com> <5211E5DE.2050901@coolmail.se> In-Reply-To: <5211E5DE.2050901@coolmail.se> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: a1096eb7-0312-404a-abcd-2f4710c72942 X-Archives-Hash: b8855ddaf1acc490f79452a42ff25833 pk wrote: > On 2013-08-19 00:49, Dale wrote: > >> Picking random message sort of. Isn't eudev still going to support a >> separate /usr? That is my understanding. If eudev is not then I may >> have to reconsider some things myself here. > Yes, that is my understanding as well. But the "decision" to not support > a separate /usr lies higher up in the system hierarchy (as I understand > it). Gentoo as a system will not support a separate /usr if we are to > believe the conversation (I haven't seen any official notice of this > though). That is the sad part. The problem I have, as an engineer, is > that "everybody" says that a separate /usr is broken, that sysvinit is > broken without explaining why. In order to fix a problem you need to > know what is broken... The people who claims the brokenness are, imo, > hand waving and they've managed to convince higher uppers in the Gentoo > infrastructure (as it seems). I guess if you repeat something often > enough it becomes a "truth" or said person(s) just agrees to stop the > nagging. > > Best regards > > Peter K > > > Right now, I'm using eudev. If my machine stops booting because it needs a init thingy, this could get interesting. I used dracut for a bit until eudev came along but for me, it was a tool to see if things blow over and some folks come to their senses. As much as I hate Mandriva which had a init thingy, if I have to have one and find myself unable to chroot into Gentoo and make repairs, at least Mandriva installs faster. Yea, you can do a lot in chroot but only if you can figure out what is wrong and know how to fix it. I to hope folks can see the light before this bad dream turns into a nightmare. The further this goes, the harder it is going to be to back peddle and fix it. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!