Re: [gentoo-user] Moving from old udev to eudev

["Anthony G. Basile" <basile@opensource.dyc.edu>]

On 08/05/2013 06:19 AM, Samuli Suominen wrote:
> On 04/08/13 05:56, Walter Dnes wrote:
>> On Fri, Aug 02, 2013 at 05:02:39AM +0300, Samuli Suominen wrote
>>
>>> Looking forward to lastrite sys-fs/eudev just like
>>> sys-apps/module-init-tools already was removed as unnecessary later on.
>>
>>    You want eudev removed, and Lennart Poettering wants udev on
>> non-systemd systems dropped.  Add those two items together, and we get
>> systemd rammed down our throats...
>>
>> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2012-August/006066.html
>>
>>
>>> (Yes, udev on non-systemd systems is in our eyes a dead end, in case
>>> you haven't noticed it yet. I am looking forward to the day when we
>>> can drop that support entirely.)
>>
>
> That might be the systemd upstream view point, but definately isn't mine.
> Fact is that udev can be built and ran standalone without systemd and
> you don't need eudev for that.

For now.  And you get a ton of bloat.  I removed over 300 unused 
functions.  Furthermore, there is a problem with iface renaming which 
Ian solved and legacy features are not there.  We will continue to 
support a bootable system with separate /usr without need for an intramfs.

But most importantly, you have a different upstream with a different 
attitude towards the users.  Even if the codebase were identical, this 
makes all the difference to those who want a system the way they want 
and not the way systemd upstream wants.  Your arguments have been 
ineffective at convincing people because you dismiss this critical point.


> If udev upstream makes it impossible to build, or run it standalone then
> we need to patch or fork it -- but that's far from now.
> In any case there will always be sys-fs/udev and it will never require
> sys-apps/systemd.
> Futhermore sys-fs/udev will be the default for long as sys-apps/openrc
> is the default.
>
> I mean, why the heck fork something too early when upstream still
> supports udev on non-systemd init systems?!
>
> - Samuli


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