From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C476A1381F3 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 10:21:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3EC03E0AEC; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 10:21:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2FB7FE0AD2 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 10:21:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.184.28.11] (85-76-176-136-nat.elisa-mobile.fi [85.76.176.136]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: ssuominen) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 93FAD33EB8E for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2013 10:21:21 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <51FF7C36.1030500@gentoo.org> Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2013 13:19:34 +0300 From: Samuli Suominen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130802 Thunderbird/17.0.7 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Moving from old udev to eudev References: <51FA8CB6.60000@libertytrek.org> <51FAEEC6.9000006@iinet.net.au> <51FAF26C.2040107@gentoo.org> <20130802010100.GA31096@waltdnes.org> <51FB133F.3040409@gentoo.org> <20130804025656.GB3702@waltdnes.org> In-Reply-To: <20130804025656.GB3702@waltdnes.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 7f19b39a-7186-4cda-bb1f-06669e677fa3 X-Archives-Hash: 4031a8a67a166765729a04070e6c52cd On 04/08/13 05:56, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Fri, Aug 02, 2013 at 05:02:39AM +0300, Samuli Suominen wrote > >> Looking forward to lastrite sys-fs/eudev just like >> sys-apps/module-init-tools already was removed as unnecessary later on. > > You want eudev removed, and Lennart Poettering wants udev on > non-systemd systems dropped. Add those two items together, and we get > systemd rammed down our throats... > > http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2012-August/006066.html > >> (Yes, udev on non-systemd systems is in our eyes a dead end, in case >> you haven't noticed it yet. I am looking forward to the day when we >> can drop that support entirely.) > That might be the systemd upstream view point, but definately isn't mine. Fact is that udev can be built and ran standalone without systemd and you don't need eudev for that. If udev upstream makes it impossible to build, or run it standalone then we need to patch or fork it -- but that's far from now. In any case there will always be sys-fs/udev and it will never require sys-apps/systemd. Futhermore sys-fs/udev will be the default for long as sys-apps/openrc is the default. I mean, why the heck fork something too early when upstream still supports udev on non-systemd init systems?! - Samuli