From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88381138200 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2013 03:18:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2B1DDE0A61; Fri, 2 Aug 2013 03:18:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from icp-osb-irony-out7.external.iinet.net.au (icp-osb-irony-out7.external.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.224]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00C9DE09B2 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2013 03:18:06 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgQFAAYk+1E6B6V8/2dsb2JhbABbgwY2vCuCcIEcFnSCJAEBBXgRCw0LCRYPCQMCAQIBRRMIAQGIC7lAjlmBNRaDdgOJKI43hiQjiweDJC8 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.89,798,1367942400"; d="scan'208";a="148048184" Received: from unknown (HELO moriah.localdomain) ([58.7.165.124]) by icp-osb-irony-out7.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 02 Aug 2013 11:17:33 +0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moriah.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0B171215F for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2013 11:17:32 +0800 (WST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at lan.localdomain Received: from moriah.localdomain ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (moriah.lan.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qkwKj4gjbtuE for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2013 11:17:18 +0800 (WST) Received: from [192.168.44.3] (moriah [192.168.44.3]) by moriah.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3D361215C for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2013 11:17:18 +0800 (WST) Message-ID: <51FB24BE.8020401@iinet.net.au> Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2013 11:17:18 +0800 From: William Kenworthy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130705 Thunderbird/17.0.7 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Moving from old udev to eudev References: <51FA8CB6.60000@libertytrek.org> <51FAEEC6.9000006@iinet.net.au> <51FAF26C.2040107@gentoo.org> <20130802010100.GA31096@waltdnes.org> <51FB133F.3040409@gentoo.org> <51FB1DF5.8050802@gmail.com> <51FB2102.50102@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <51FB2102.50102@gentoo.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 4f98bd64-4e07-4ed3-8eea-bb59233375f8 X-Archives-Hash: 40b44374f874cd738c1b202f54c58e01 On 02/08/13 11:01, Samuli Suominen wrote: > On 02/08/13 05:48, Dale wrote: >> Samuli Suominen wrote: >>> >>> Huh? USE="firmware-loader" is optional and enabled by default in >>> sys-fs/udev >>> Futhermore predictable network interface names work as designed, not a >>> single valid bug filed about them. >>> >>> Stop spreading FUD. >>> >>> Looking forward to lastrite sys-fs/eudev just like >>> sys-apps/module-init-tools already was removed as unnecessary later on. >> >> So your real agenda is to kill eudev? Maybe it is you that is spreading >> FUD instead of others. Like others have said, udev was going to cause >> issues, eudev has yet to cause any. > > Yes, absolutely sys-fs/eudev should be punted from tree since it doesn't > bring in anything useful, and it reintroduced old bugs from old version > of udev, as well as adds confusing to users. > And no, sys-fs/udev doesn't have issues, in fact, less than what > sys-fs/eudev has. > Like said earlier, the bugs assigned to udev-bugs@g.o apply also to > sys-fs/eudev and they have even more in their github ticketing system. > And sys-fs/udev maintainers have to constantly monitor sys-fs/eudev so > it doesn't fall too much behind, which adds double work unnecessarily. > They don't keep it up-to-date on their own without prodding. > > Really, this is how it has went right from the start and the double work > and user confusion needs to stop. > > - Samuli > >From my point of view, its udev/systemd that should be punted - what about user choice? - Ive decided I no longer want to buy into the flaky, unusable systems gnome3 and udev/systemd integration caused me even though I didn't have systemd installed, so why should I be forced to? A group have come up with a way to keep my systems running properly without those packages and its working better than udev ever has for me ... BillK