From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 427551381F3 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2013 13:39:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 930AFE0A9F; Thu, 1 Aug 2013 13:39:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8BC6CE0A52 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2013 13:39:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.4.5] (blfd-4d086a84.pool.mediaWays.net [77.8.106.132]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: hasufell) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5E04133E958 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2013 13:39:05 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <51FA64F6.3080109@gentoo.org> Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2013 15:39:02 +0200 From: hasufell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130630 Thunderbird/17.0.7 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is so AWESOME References: <51F80310.9070006@gentoo.org> <51F850C3.6060301@orlitzky.com> <20130801111736.GA7924@nicolas-desktop.logifi.fr> <20130801121107.GB7924@nicolas-desktop.logifi.fr> <51FA540F.7010105@gentoo.org> <20130801131543.GC7924@nicolas-desktop.logifi.fr> In-Reply-To: <20130801131543.GC7924@nicolas-desktop.logifi.fr> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6a1pre Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: fecaceeb-6c9a-4c47-9872-441dd0761084 X-Archives-Hash: b271ddcc0dd681c63096ebde09921e2f On 08/01/2013 03:15 PM, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: > The 01/08/13, hasufell wrote: > >> You can use the command line too. >> >> www-client/pybugz > > I know this tool. I did try it. At that time it was buggy and did not > work for me. Though, this would still be a busy process as this is just > another interface og the bugzilla thing. > >> Git workflow has been on the todo list for a long time, as well as >> review systems such as gerrit. >> >> It is non trivial to implement > > Other than the git repository size requiring a huge initial clone, it's > very easy to do. Let's not make this yet another git migration discussion. Sufficient to say, that it is not trivial to implement in Gentoo since we have to migrate history, tools (not just end-user tools, this is also about infra) and a lot of other stuff without breaking everything. Also: A lot of gentoo projects have an overlay on github or similar where they accept pull requests already. Including sunrise. > > Also, Gentoo organization has two heads making ambitious dicisions hard > to take. And AFAIKS, to decision process in Gentoo is not helping at > all. We are far from how it worked at the genesis/beginning of Gentoo. > There is a lot of room for improvement in the political aspects of gentoo. In order to change it, you have to get more involved. >> It is non trivial to implement and none of it is an excuse for not >> contributing IMO ;) >> >> Those are enhancements and we are already working on it. Get your hands >> dirty. > > Oh, yes. Pass the recruitement process to enhance the recruitement process, > workflow and decision process (not possible to change, IMO). Funny! :-) > > Again, I proposed myself to the dev list two times in the past. Nobody > cared and I had no answers. > I think the dev ML is not the right place to ask for a mentor, you actually have to _find_ one. Discuss on IRC, help out on bugzie, send pull requests to official gentoo overlays and then you might already know a few devs who work in that area you are intested in. If you are unable to find one, the recruiters will help you with that, just contact them. Also: we approach people ourselves who force us to commit for them every single time. It is annoying, so we want them to become devs ;)