From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4F761381F3 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 17:26:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B1ACCE0A82; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 17:26:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ea0-f180.google.com (mail-ea0-f180.google.com [209.85.215.180]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 88A08E0957 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 17:26:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ea0-f180.google.com with SMTP id h10so495703eaj.39 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 10:26:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=yISkt/Xgtrlop3lJP5kLfQpuE9ATqPFuIcLBBxJFAYM=; b=L7ZRNE6L+CaOgmiUJe9fwcCysG24mNSGI0yua2kp6sKGWoAdkNNU5UFauTWo55X6AP QXbjLFGlDggyAxr33HTF+/u13CJbCQ+Kpy3ClRQbFeyRgn7aUzXLZo5XAaitlDQCr9DE 6Ncbwoa4BsLNRjktsYKTPzNJ56syvrpjuEns4NwI4V+C51GN3bthf8o3mihlGz1ec0Lg xNV8fDj08aTqs2rMjSZUSDZEL/44hMuJ5BRarqOflsxx87qor/RsXBNuzJBU+FSevvHx xae3xvCNgk+yPQ4YSkimCTavum/S/dC8adUHeVrK6tFvEcDMyhnkHADGAi65P6Pxmdao js+A== X-Received: by 10.15.42.129 with SMTP id u1mr69923482eev.116.1375291566183; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 10:26:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.20.0.41] (196-210-102-70.dynamic.isadsl.co.za. [196.210.102.70]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id j2sm4089825eep.6.2013.07.31.10.26.04 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 31 Jul 2013 10:26:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51F9480E.3080406@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 19:23:26 +0200 From: Alan McKinnon User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130709 Thunderbird/17.0.7 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-systemd-only deprecation References: <57299332.XkTIeZ2QOq@melforce> <3017.1375206780@ccs.covici.com> <6349.1375221843@ccs.covici.com> <51F8F63E.9020705@libertytrek.org> <20130731132227.5e582ee7@digimed.co.uk> <51F9034E.7040204@libertytrek.org> <51F92CC0.2060504@libertytrek.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archives-Salt: 350aca43-fca9-4f55-93d0-7260704d0f30 X-Archives-Hash: 32077a7c1db93e0cfb433c74299d83f8 On 31/07/2013 17:36, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > No, because the *exact same* situation occurs for Bash completion > scripts... and logrotate scripts... and cron jobs... and... > > The devs decided (and I agree with them) that the important thing is > to cover the necessities of the majority of users and to have > reasonable default settings. Therefore, having USE flags for > bash_complete, and logrotate, and crond, and systemd, and OpenRC, and > whatever else you want to throw in the mix is overkill and a > maintenance nightmare. Not to mention that they will require a full > rebuild every time you changed one of those flags. And the packages > (in general) will not care about those tiny files; they will work fine > with all of them installed, no matter if you don't use Bash > completion, nor logrotate, nor crond, nor systemd nor OpenRC. > > So, those files are installed unconditionally. And that's the smart > thing to do, since most users will not even care about any of them. Folk will get MUCH larger savings if they mask html help/doc files from being installed. Those things get to be huge. Whinging about systemd binaries being installed is valid, but whinging about some data files is not. Anyone who does is letting their OCD show in ways they really should be keeping private. Unless the system is embedded in which case a lot more than units are going to be masked out -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon@gmail.com