From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D54D71381F3 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 15:24:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EA730E0A93; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 15:24:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from homiemail-a91.g.dreamhost.com (caibbdcaaaaf.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.5]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE61EE0A5A for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 15:24:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from homiemail-a91.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a91.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1B87AE070 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 08:24:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=libertytrek.org; h= message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s= libertytrek.org; bh=m3p3QRyNiX3QmGJEITiVy8quZT8=; b=HB6nMBiy/0se n116g9MSBA7PCaDpYW3gOIrANMCMhwIP3TWURTRgWez1AvxYBXWmPPOt9N9RaeT2 JwbL4SP0YMEK2CuaZtx2OOdrK2nLvAl+spFsdtOkqI0wG9KXkNhp/9kaH/wXo0OI s6O93gEyf0psMwz0SqY+TPNgtzlOksY= Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [159.63.145.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: tanstaafl@libertytrek.org) by homiemail-a91.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 756DFAE05B for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 08:24:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51F92C19.7010001@libertytrek.org> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 11:24:09 -0400 From: Tanstaafl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-systemd-only deprecation References: <57299332.XkTIeZ2QOq@melforce> <3017.1375206780@ccs.covici.com> <6349.1375221843@ccs.covici.com> <51F8F63E.9020705@libertytrek.org> <20130731132227.5e582ee7@digimed.co.uk> <51F9034E.7040204@libertytrek.org> <20130731124102.GA12465@dethkomp> In-Reply-To: <20130731124102.GA12465@dethkomp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 5b553cb7-3dd9-442c-aea4-b9fbd6c1377d X-Archives-Hash: 7c8d18d4194fd7210fb25f7cc2bef770 On 2013-07-31 8:41 AM, Yohan Pereira wrote: > On 31/07/13 at 08:30am, Tanstaafl wrote: >> So, how should this be used to 'opt out of systemd completely'? > > from main make.conf > "Use this variable if you want to selectively prevent certain > files from being copied into your file system tree. .." > > You can use it to prevent ebuilds from installing unit files > or open-rc scripts from doing so (based on what you want to opt-out of). Well, no offense, but that is gobbledy-greek to non programmers. I would have no idea *how* to 'prevent ebuilds from installing unit files...'. If this really is 'the one true way' to 'totally opt out of systemd', then in my opinion there should be a very thorough example of *how* to 'opt out of systemd' included in the man page. Side-question... I'm wondering if one of the reasons that the dev who was making such a big deal of this was mainly concerned about the 'slipper slope' factor, and saw some writing on the wall that the systemd devs were just playing nice just to get their foot in the door, then were going to pull some tricks to force changes that would eventually result in *everyone* (even those using eudev) to *have* to switch to systemd some time in the future? Not saying this is how it is, but I'm more than a bit concerned about this.