[gentoo-user] [Preliminary report] Gnome-3.8 update works with openrc :)

[gentoo-user] [Preliminary report] Gnome-3.8 update works with openrc :)

[walt]

As I posted in another thread, after successfully updating to gnome-3.8
on a virtual gentoo machine that's been running systemd for months, I
tackled my openrc gentoo virtual machine just to see if I could do it.

I just did it :)  Gnome-3.8 is running on the openrc machine without
running systemd at all.

However, gnome-3.8 *does* require systemd to be installed because it
has officially replaced the udev project. (All of the udev files are
now installed by the systemd package.)

Also, very important, you must set the systemd useflag globally or the
conflicts between packages and useflags will drive you insane (like me).

Another problem I've noted is that I've had a few unexplained freezes
when the VBox guests are running kernel 3.10.3, and backing down to
kernel 3.9.11-r1 seems to avoid those, but that's just my impression,
nothing more. (I'm running 3.9.11-gentoo-r1 on both host machines because
the ati-drivers and nvidia-drivers won't compile against 3.10.x the
last time I checked.)

Please note:  I have done only superficial testing on the openrc machine,
and I would not recommend that you try this trick on any machine you
really need to be solid!  This is just me playing around with stuff
that is not supported by the gentoo devs.  Be warned!

I'm going to test cinnamon next, and I'll post results in a day or
two.

Re: [gentoo-user] [Preliminary report] Gnome-3.8 update works with openrc :)

[Mark David Dumlao]

walt, are you using pam_systemd? I have a hunch that systemd-logind
should still work.

Re: [gentoo-user] [Preliminary report] Gnome-3.8 update works with openrc :)

[Samuli Suominen]

On 30/07/13 04:13, Mark David Dumlao wrote:
> walt, are you using pam_systemd? I have a hunch that systemd-logind
> should still work.
>

nope, logind no longer works with anything else than systemd since 205

we have given up on logind+openrc, that's why gnome also now pulls in 
systemd at portage

Re: [gentoo-user] [Preliminary report] Gnome-3.8 update works with openrc :)

[Michael Hampicke]

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Am 30.07.2013 03:04, schrieb walt:
> As I posted in another thread, after successfully updating to gnome-3.8
> on a virtual gentoo machine that's been running systemd for months, I
> tackled my openrc gentoo virtual machine just to see if I could do it.
> 
> I just did it :)  Gnome-3.8 is running on the openrc machine without
> running systemd at all.

Try suspending/hibernating the machine via Gnome menu. Does that work
for you? Never got that to work when I used openrc.


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Re: [gentoo-user] [Preliminary report] Gnome-3.8 update works with openrc :)

[Canek Peláez Valdés]

On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 12:26 AM, Michael Hampicke <mh@hadt.biz> wrote:
> Am 30.07.2013 03:04, schrieb walt:
>> As I posted in another thread, after successfully updating to gnome-3.8
>> on a virtual gentoo machine that's been running systemd for months, I
>> tackled my openrc gentoo virtual machine just to see if I could do it.
>>
>> I just did it :)  Gnome-3.8 is running on the openrc machine without
>> running systemd at all.
>
> Try suspending/hibernating the machine via Gnome menu. Does that work
> for you? Never got that to work when I used openrc.

Also:

• Can you mount (as a normal user) USB drives, CDs, sftp remote directories?
• Can you add a new wireless or wired networks with NetworkManager?
• Can you shut down the machine from the GNOME menu?
• Bluetooth? Printers?

All of this stuff involves logind, and ConsoleKit before it. I'm
pretty sure most of them, if not all, will fail with OpenRC.

Regards.
-- 
Canek Peláez Valdés
Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Re: [gentoo-user] [Preliminary report] Gnome-3.8 update works with openrc :)

[Michael Hampicke]

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Am 30.07.2013 07:35, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés:
> On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 12:26 AM, Michael Hampicke <mh@hadt.biz> wrote:
>> Am 30.07.2013 03:04, schrieb walt:
>>> As I posted in another thread, after successfully updating to gnome-3.8
>>> on a virtual gentoo machine that's been running systemd for months, I
>>> tackled my openrc gentoo virtual machine just to see if I could do it.
>>>
>>> I just did it :)  Gnome-3.8 is running on the openrc machine without
>>> running systemd at all.
>>
>> Try suspending/hibernating the machine via Gnome menu. Does that work
>> for you? Never got that to work when I used openrc.
> 
> Also:
> 
> • Can you mount (as a normal user) USB drives, CDs, sftp remote directories?

I was able to mount usb sticks on openrc/gnome3.8, also sftp shares via
gvfs. I have no optical drive, so I don't know

> • Can you add a new wireless or wired networks with NetworkManager?

Never tried NM or wifi on my workstation, but my guess would be that it
will not work.

> • Can you shut down the machine from the GNOME menu?

This worked

> • Bluetooth? Printers?

Printing via cups worked, but I don't use BT



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Re: [gentoo-user] [Preliminary report] Gnome-3.8 update works with openrc :)

[J. Roeleveld]

On Tue, July 30, 2013 18:29, Michael Hampicke wrote:
> Am 30.07.2013 07:35, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés:

>> • Can you add a new wireless or wired networks with NetworkManager?
>
> Never tried NM or wifi on my workstation, but my guess would be that it
> will not work.

I don't see why it wouldn't work.
I use NM for wired/wifi/vpn on my netbook running KDE and OpenRC.

--
Joost

[gentoo-user] Re: [Preliminary report] Gnome-3.8 update works with openrc :)

[walt]

On 07/29/2013 06:04 PM, walt wrote:
> I'm going to test cinnamon next, and I'll post results in a day or
> two.

Sad to report that gentoo's cinnamon-1.6.7-r2 is out of date :(  Arch
linux installs gnome-3.8 and cinnamon-1.8.8-2, which work fairly well
together but not perfectly.

The reason cinnamon-1.8.x doesn't meet my needs perfectly is that the
developers of cinnamon panel applets are lagging a bit behind. That's
just the nature of open-source <sigh>.

Meanwhile the gnome devs, damn their eyes, continue to rip out stuff
that I use and depend on every day!

Gnome-3.8 just stepped over the line by removing gnome-panel completely,
thereby removing the gnome-panel applets I depend on, without providing
replacements for them.  Grrrr!

Gnome-3.8 and systemd have a lot in common, I think.  There is nothing
wrong with either one except that they are still works in progress, and
I want my gnome2 back because it did everything I need to do, and gnome3
just continues to rip stuff out. (I'm sure it will be okay eventually.)

Thanks for listening patiently to my complaints, and have a nice day ;)