From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63DC91381F3 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 14:29:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6FD01E09F5; Thu, 30 May 2013 14:29:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-bk0-f43.google.com (mail-bk0-f43.google.com [209.85.214.43]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 24972E09BA for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 14:29:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-bk0-f43.google.com with SMTP id jm2so190420bkc.2 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 07:29:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=4whHqOVP+wTc8PZqxs0wOR8SYqvxKOY7vzOlCAK3h2E=; b=Z63TPy/aaSGGj2Ub0KKwlD4dTN/Mx27qrv11zRx907ke9NdONdEzXvidoDx2zivDOe zduWHgYUaWpgU7KTmc8RiAOh/FjqddflVjPySWtHwuNJnOudqIk22XLVa7HG4gGiUqJa 8CTYuIyyusZPCDWRCoRPcgKAlvYxbb+lsPsNwFVqvRe8zY/3sOPuE8PGD7JK1EiHonUT XeaNnBhoqEICJDfdJ1jvE6st9xZcWZFsKLkOylWW6ZdHV4Ti0BMIO6RZl0bOEI99spEX CqcvlVhd8A9JMS0wevhYAVH7gPZ+xxN1fXv3jJ0046xvcbMUdNvOCHuZSPBpj2qltOua AiSw== X-Received: by 10.204.191.10 with SMTP id dk10mr539590bkb.35.1369924162533; Thu, 30 May 2013 07:29:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [212.255.238.58] ([212.255.238.58]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id b12sm13726709bkz.0.2013.05.30.07.29.21 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 30 May 2013 07:29:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51A76240.2050009@googlemail.com> Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 16:29:20 +0200 From: Tamer Higazi User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Mac Mini with Grub booting Mac OSX and Windows?! References: <51A4BA89.5000308@googlemail.com> <20130528141413.GE14941@uriel.asininetech.com> <20130528141728.GF14941@uriel.asininetech.com> <51A4DBDD.6030304@googlemail.com> <1369768052.9376.140661236760605.55EC901C@webmail.messagingengine.com> <51A503B1.4060101@googlemail.com> <1369769791.15065.140661236784825.03643271@webmail.messagingengine.com> <51A6A40A.6040206@googlemail.com> <8131be78d0678e8296e2698f82452433@3ss.ath.cx> In-Reply-To: <8131be78d0678e8296e2698f82452433@3ss.ath.cx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 9dab479f-b58d-46c3-992d-cf3204a7d26b X-Archives-Hash: 32afa9debd0e3ffb372f73ebe1db1749 Okay, I meanwhile got that even the most new Mac Mini Servers make use of the earliest implementations of EFI that Windows doesn't understand. The only way to get Windows booted propperly is in BIOS emulation mode, but that Partitions wouldn't be recognized (according it's emulation)..... Questions: Am 30.05.2013 10:04, schrieb Andrea Conti: > No. :) Please tell me the order which way I have to install the OS's (having 2 x 1TB Disks available). Is there a way for me to get OSX, Win and Gentoo on 1 disk ?! > While Intel Macs are EFI platforms, they have an early and quirky > implementation that cannot properly boot Windows in EFI mode, so you're > stuck with booting in BIOS emulation mode, Do I have to activate the emulation mode somewhere?! which in turn means that > Windows will not use the GPT table. This is a really stupid Windows > limitation, but we can't do anything about it. hmmmmm.... > > The Linux kernel can use GPT with no restrictions, however booting is > another story. > Booting directly from GPT requires a GPT-aware bootloader such as GRUB Intel Mac's are EFI Platforms that cannot boot Windows and that we would have to deal with BIOS Emulation that wouldn't make us of the GPT Table. fine, and wonderfull.... Now I have Grub2 with GPT support available, we can boot Gentoo and OsX but what about Windows which runs in BIOS emulation mode, and won't make use of the GPT table.... > 2. Alternatively you can use GRUB legacy, Now how do we mix with GRUB Legacy?! after there is Mac OSX installed. as I red about GUID (GPT) appears in the system as a full reserved MBR entry. How do you plan to make after installing OSX one other MBR record with Grub legacy without breaking afterwards the GUID partition entry?! but you need an entry in the > MBR for the boot partition. The root partition (and any other > partitions) need not appear in the MBR, as they are mounted by the kernel. > > OSX uses GPT natively and does not need MBR entries for its > partition(s). The only exception is if you want read-only access to an > HFS+ partition in Windows through the driver provided by BootCamp; in > that case you need to ensure that the first entry in the hybrid MBR > covers the HFS+ partition you want to access. I don't need access from Windows to read a HFS+ partition. I would propably make myself a small ext3/4 partition (or if possible making use of the 2nd disk as ext4 and that would it be), that would be the entry point for the OS's to access the FS, and I believe that OSX system has the ability to mount ext3 types.... Or no drivers from the opensource world available ?! > > andrea > > Thanks for your time Andrea! I know, you must really hate me right now, but I want to jump in the Mac world, but without loosing Windows and Gentoo :( If you say, that it is shitt difficult and it's better for me to keep the fingers away of it, then I do what you want from me. If you tell me, it is it worth, then I would kindly thank you providing me as much infos as possible, because in max 2 weeks my new mac server (max built) would be there to be misused by my keyboard fingers. Tamer