[gentoo-user] kernel panick after time while compiling....

[gentoo-user] kernel panick after time while compiling....

[Tamer Higazi]

Hi people!
When I merge large or big packages like firefox, thunderbird or
chromium. The system hangsup with "kernel panick" and displays on the
screen reboot after 30 seconds.

What could it be?!



For any help or advises, I would kindly thank you.




Tamer

Re: [gentoo-user] kernel panick after time while compiling....

[Dale]

Tamer Higazi wrote:
> Hi people!
> When I merge large or big packages like firefox, thunderbird or
> chromium. The system hangsup with "kernel panick" and displays on the
> screen reboot after 30 seconds.
>
> What could it be?!
>
>
>
> For any help or advises, I would kindly thank you.
>
>
>
>
> Tamer
>
>

Could be lots of things but have you checked your ram?  Power supply
getting hot?  CPU getting hot?  Those are things I can thing of right
off the top of my head.  I'm sure others will have additional ideas. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

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Re: [gentoo-user] kernel panick after time while compiling....

[Fast Turtle]

On Sun, 26 May 2013 18:36:55 -0500
Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:

> Tamer Higazi wrote:
> > Hi people!
> > When I merge large or big packages like firefox, thunderbird or
> > chromium. The system hangsup with "kernel panick" and displays on the
> > screen reboot after 30 seconds.
> >
> > What could it be?!
> >
> >
> >
> > For any help or advises, I would kindly thank you.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Tamer
> >
> >
> 
> Could be lots of things but have you checked your ram?  Power supply
> getting hot?  CPU getting hot?  Those are things I can thing of right
> off the top of my head.  I'm sure others will have additional ideas. 
> 
> Dale
> 
> :-)  :-) 
> 
> -- 
> I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
> 
> 
All of these are good general diagnostic suggestions but from what was said, I suspect it's the kernel radeon driver as I've had the same problem. If he's got a radeon card, then he needs at least the linux-firmware and change the krenel setting to build the radoeon as a module/rebuild kernel and modules. Problem solved - I'm not sure what's borked in the kernel module but it affects all versions in portage

Re: [gentoo-user] kernel panick after time while compiling....

[Tamer Higazi]

The problem is the following, that the same crap happen on Windows as
well. I got there bluescreen after a while.

I made a memory test, and let it run over 50% of over all tests, and no
error displayed (perhaps I let it go more then hours).


However, I don't really believe that it is a memory issue....

Next month I get myself a new machine....


Long time thought to get rid of my old Core2Duo which I am using now
more then 6 years.


Cheers


Tamer


Am 27.05.2013 17:38, schrieb Fast Turtle:
> On Sun, 26 May 2013 18:36:55 -0500
> Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>
>>
> All of these are good general diagnostic suggestions but from what was said, I suspect it's the kernel radeon driver as I've had the same problem. If he's got a radeon card, then he needs at least the linux-firmware and change the krenel setting to build the radoeon as a module/rebuild kernel and modules. Problem solved - I'm not sure what's borked in the kernel module but it affects all versions in portage
> 

Re: [gentoo-user] kernel panick after time while compiling....

[Mick]

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On Monday 27 May 2013 21:11:33 Tamer Higazi wrote:
> The problem is the following, that the same crap happen on Windows as
> well. I got there bluescreen after a while.
> 
> I made a memory test, and let it run over 50% of over all tests, and no
> error displayed (perhaps I let it go more then hours).
> 
> 
> However, I don't really believe that it is a memory issue....

If it is not a memory issue, then it may well be a power supply issue.  My old 
PC started playing up lately (e.g. a couple of kernel panics when shutting 
down, or freezing at random) and I discovered some domed capacitors in the 
PSU.  I will similarly be buying a new machine soon, although I may bother 
myself with replacing the capacitors at some point.
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Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] kernel panick after time while compiling....

[Stroller]

On 28 May 2013, at 06:38, Mick wrote:
> ...
> If it is not a memory issue, then it may well be a power supply issue.  My old 
> PC started playing up lately (e.g. a couple of kernel panics when shutting 
> down, or freezing at random) and I discovered some domed capacitors in the 
> PSU.  I will similarly be buying a new machine soon, although I may bother 
> myself with replacing the capacitors at some point.

When fixing PCs as a fulltime occupation, I found the PSU to be the most common cause of random and "inexplicable" crashes - slightly more often, I would say, than bad or overheating RAM, but with symptoms generally indistinguishable. 

Many computer enthusiasts will look down on £20 or £30 PSUs, but I don't think that spending 2 or 3 times as much would have had any benefit for the users I serviced. 

Stroller.

Re: [gentoo-user] kernel panick after time while compiling....

[Tamer Higazi]

It's usually a quality power supply unit, that made it 6 years.

However, what I find totally strange, at the same time. That
applications die during my work.

Totally strange, like "clock" dies, and restarts. Eclipse dies, firefox
dies.....

I have the feeling that memory and power supply are making me headache.


windows died yesterday during installation of .NET SP 4.5 fixes.....

The machine drives me nuts.... However, I am getting myself a new machine.


Tamer



Am 28.05.2013 23:34, schrieb Stroller:
> 
> On 28 May 2013, at 06:38, Mick wrote:
>> ...
>> If it is not a memory issue, then it may well be a power supply issue.  My old 
>> PC started playing up lately (e.g. a couple of kernel panics when shutting 
>> down, or freezing at random) and I discovered some domed capacitors in the 
>> PSU.  I will similarly be buying a new machine soon, although I may bother 
>> myself with replacing the capacitors at some point.
> 
> When fixing PCs as a fulltime occupation, I found the PSU to be the most common cause of random and "inexplicable" crashes - slightly more often, I would say, than bad or overheating RAM, but with symptoms generally indistinguishable. 
> 
> Many computer enthusiasts will look down on £20 or £30 PSUs, but I don't think that spending 2 or 3 times as much would have had any benefit for the users I serviced. 
> 
> Stroller.
> 
> 

Re: [gentoo-user] kernel panick after time while compiling....

[Dale]

Tamer Higazi wrote:
> It's usually a quality power supply unit, that made it 6 years.
>
> However, what I find totally strange, at the same time. That
> applications die during my work.
>
> Totally strange, like "clock" dies, and restarts. Eclipse dies, firefox
> dies.....
>
> I have the feeling that memory and power supply are making me headache.
>
>
> windows died yesterday during installation of .NET SP 4.5 fixes.....
>
> The machine drives me nuts.... However, I am getting myself a new machine.
>
>
> Tamer
>

On a really really old system many years ago, I had random reboots, lock
ups and such.  I swapped P/S, memory and other components that I could
but it still did it.  I finally figured it had to be something hard
wired on the motherboard and just replaced the whole thing.  I figure a
controller chip or something was the problem. 

One thing about puters and random problems, they are hard to nail down. 
P/S and memory are a common problem but something bad on the mobo can
give the same symptoms.  Basically, you have to replace stuff until it
stops doing whatever it shouldn't be doing.  I have seen people have
enough parts to build a second rig short the case of course.  As always,
it is the last thing you replace and sometimes it can be the last thing
you CAN replace.  ;-)

Personally, I'd prefer one that doesn't work at all.  Tends to narrow it
down a lot.  If replacing the P/S don't fix it, time for a new build. 
It is dead.  For a 6 year old puter, I'd just have to try fixing it
tho.  I usually get at least 8 years out of a build. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

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Re: [gentoo-user] kernel panick after time while compiling....

[Alan McKinnon]

On 29/05/2013 00:25, Dale wrote:
> I have seen people have
> enough parts to build a second rig short the case of course.  As always,
> it is the last thing you replace and sometimes it can be the last thing
> you CAN replace.  ;-)

Of course it's always the last thing you replace that fixes it, how
could it be any other way?

Unless you carry on replacing bits after the problem is fixed...

Just sayin'  :-)


-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] kernel panick after time while compiling....

[Dale]

Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 29/05/2013 00:25, Dale wrote:
>> I have seen people have
>> enough parts to build a second rig short the case of course.  As always,
>> it is the last thing you replace and sometimes it can be the last thing
>> you CAN replace.  ;-)
> Of course it's always the last thing you replace that fixes it, how
> could it be any other way?
>
> Unless you carry on replacing bits after the problem is fixed...
>
> Just sayin'  :-)
>
>

My point was the second part tho.  That sometimes it is the last thing
you CAN replace.  At that point, short having a new case, you have the
parts for a new puter.  I don't get into replacing chips on mobos and
such as that.  A capacitor in the P/S maybe but not messing with the
mobo stuff. 

So, to be more clear, if you replace the P/S, memory, mobo and maybe a
CPU or something, you can just put those together and have a new rig. 
Make a door stop out of the other one.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

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Re: [gentoo-user] kernel panick after time while compiling....

[Tamer Higazi]

Dale!
I am getting now myself a Mac OSX Mini Server with 8GB or 16GB RAM, and
get OSX, Windows and Gentoo there on a disk to run. That's it!

Proper screen with a very high resolution, and I am happy, and I am back
coding.


For future travels, My CPU makes with me the journey all the time....

:) :) :)


Tamer



Am 29.05.2013 00:25, schrieb Dale:

> On a really really old system many years ago, I had random reboots, lock
> ups and such.  I swapped P/S, memory and other components that I could
> but it still did it.  I finally figured it had to be something hard
> wired on the motherboard and just replaced the whole thing.  I figure a
> controller chip or something was the problem. 
> 
> One thing about puters and random problems, they are hard to nail down. 
> P/S and memory are a common problem but something bad on the mobo can
> give the same symptoms.  Basically, you have to replace stuff until it
> stops doing whatever it shouldn't be doing.  I have seen people have
> enough parts to build a second rig short the case of course.  As always,
> it is the last thing you replace and sometimes it can be the last thing
> you CAN replace.  ;-)
> 
> Personally, I'd prefer one that doesn't work at all.  Tends to narrow it
> down a lot.  If replacing the P/S don't fix it, time for a new build. 
> It is dead.  For a 6 year old puter, I'd just have to try fixing it
> tho.  I usually get at least 8 years out of a build. 
> 
> Dale
> 
> :-)  :-) 
> 

Re: [gentoo-user] kernel panick after time while compiling....

[Thanasis]

on 05/29/2013 12:41 AM Tamer Higazi wrote the following:
> It's usually a quality power supply unit, that made it 6 years.
> 
> However, what I find totally strange, at the same time. That
> applications die during my work.
> 
> Totally strange, like "clock" dies, and restarts. Eclipse dies, firefox
> dies.....
> 
> I have the feeling that memory and power supply are making me headache.
> 
> 
> windows died yesterday during installation of .NET SP 4.5 fixes.....
> 
> The machine drives me nuts.... However, I am getting myself a new machine.
> 
> 
> Tamer
> 

Someone had these kind of lockups due to kernel in conjunction with EFI ...

[gentoo-user] Re: kernel panick after time while compiling....

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 27/05/13 02:15, Tamer Higazi wrote:
> Hi people!
> When I merge large or big packages like firefox, thunderbird or
> chromium. The system hangsup with "kernel panick" and displays on the
> screen reboot after 30 seconds.
>
> What could it be?!

Install sys-apps/memtest86+ make a bootloader entry for it and boot it. 
Sounds like a RAM problem and memtest will help you find out whether 
that's the case.

RE: [gentoo-user] Re: kernel panick after time while compiling....

[Zhu Sha Zang]

Hey dude, some hints that should help you to discover why your system are
"freezing".

First take a look in temperature of your system while compiling with "watch
-n 1 sensors".

Some programs like atop and htop show me to be very useful too.

Take a look inside make.conf and see how much you are overpowering your
computer in "MAKEOPTS" option. Maybe you need raise down it.

Another observation, in case that you are using notebook it's about the flow
of the cold/hot air. 

Good luck.

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To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: kernel panick after time while compiling....

On 27/05/13 02:15, Tamer Higazi wrote:
> Hi people!
> When I merge large or big packages like firefox, thunderbird or 
> chromium. The system hangsup with "kernel panick" and displays on the 
> screen reboot after 30 seconds.
>
> What could it be?!

Install sys-apps/memtest86+ make a bootloader entry for it and boot it. 
Sounds like a RAM problem and memtest will help you find out whether that's
the case.

Re: [gentoo-user] kernel panick after time while compiling....

[Fast Turtle]

On Mon, 27 May 2013 01:15:02 +0200
Tamer Higazi <th982a@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Hi people!
> When I merge large or big packages like firefox, thunderbird or
> chromium. The system hangsup with "kernel panick" and displays on the
> screen reboot after 30 seconds.
> 
> What could it be?!
> 
> 
> 
> For any help or advises, I would kindly thank you.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Tamer
> 
Are you using the kernel radeon driver and don't have the radeon-ucode or linux-firmware package installed?

if so, install the linux-firmware and rebuild the kernel (always build the video as a module)