[gentoo-user] Seamonkey and path to internet

[gentoo-user] Seamonkey and path to internet

[Dale]

Howdy,

I noticed over the past few weeks a interesting issue.  When I leave
Seamonkey open for several hours, it looses its connection to the
internet.  If I open Firefox, it works fine.  I can ping in a Konsole
too.  In Seamonkey tho, not even a simple page like google will work. 
If I close Seamonkey and then restart it, it works fine.  I don't have
to log out of KDE or anything either.  Just restart Seamonkey and it
works for a few more hours. Also, it affects both browser and email. 

What is the path that Seamonkey takes to get to the internet?  I have
tried a older version of Seamonkey but get the same results so I figure
it is something between Seamonkey and the internet that Firefox doesn't
use that I need to upgrade, downgrade or otherwise beat some sense
into.  Just in case:

[ebuild   R   ~] www-client/seamonkey-2.17.1  USE="alsa chatzilla crypt
dbus ipc jit libnotify roaming startup-notification -custom-cflags
-custom-optimization -debug -gstreamer -system-jpeg -system-sqlite
-wifi" LINGUAS="-be -ca -cs -de -en_GB -es_AR -es_ES -fi -fr -gl -hu -it
-ja -lt -nb_NO -nl -pl -pt_PT -ru -sk -sv_SE -tr -uk -zh_CN -zh_TW" 0 kB

Thanks. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

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Re: [gentoo-user] Seamonkey and path to internet

[Adam Carter]

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>
> What is the path that Seamonkey takes to get to the internet?
>

The path is determined by the proxy settings. If there's no proxy
configured its just straight out. Sounds like a bug to me.

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[gentoo-user] Re: Seamonkey and path to internet

[»Q«]

On Mon, 20 May 2013 18:08:40 -0500
Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:

> Howdy,
> 
> I noticed over the past few weeks a interesting issue.  When I leave
> Seamonkey open for several hours, it looses its connection to the
> internet.  If I open Firefox, it works fine.  I can ping in a Konsole
> too.  In Seamonkey tho, not even a simple page like google will work. 
> If I close Seamonkey and then restart it, it works fine.  I don't have
> to log out of KDE or anything either.  Just restart Seamonkey and it
> works for a few more hours. Also, it affects both browser and email. 

When this happens, have a look at SeaMonkey's File menu;  if "Work
Offline" is checked, uncheck it.

> What is the path that Seamonkey takes to get to the internet?

It goes through a series of tubes.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Seamonkey and path to internet

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Mon, 20 May 2013 18:29:32 -0500, »Q« wrote:

> > What is the path that Seamonkey takes to get to the internet?  
> 
> It goes through a series of tubes.

Not according to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi8VTeDHjcM


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Re: [gentoo-user] Seamonkey and path to internet

[Dale]

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Adam Carter wrote:
>
>     What is the path that Seamonkey takes to get to the internet?
>
>
> The path is determined by the proxy settings. If there's no proxy
> configured its just straight out. Sounds like a bug to me.

Under proxies, I have direct connection checked.  I forgot to mention
that even tho I checked it to make sure how it was set up.  I hope this
is something besides a bug since it affects both versions in the tree.  :-?

Dale

:-)  :-) 

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Seamonkey and path to internet

[Dale]

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Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Mon, 20 May 2013 18:29:32 -0500, »Q« wrote:
>
>>> What is the path that Seamonkey takes to get to the internet? 
>>
>> It goes through a series of tubes.
>
> Not according to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi8VTeDHjcM
>
>

OK, that was cute.  lol  My cat died a few years ago so why is it just
now breaking my Seamonkey?  :/

Something else I forgot to post, I did a emerge -ev system and emerge
-ev world the other day.  I was hoping it was just some sort of mismatch
or something.  It has been a while since that happened but was hoping. 
I also did a emerge -evt seamonkey to see if I could see something that
might stick out, I didn't see anything obvious.

Dale

:-)  :-)

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[gentoo-user] Re: Seamonkey and path to internet

[Hartmut Figge]

Dale:

>I also did a emerge -evt seamonkey to see if I could see something that
>might stick out, I didn't see anything obvious.

Since many years i am compiling my SM from the latest sources via hg and
am therefore used to bugs and strange behaviour. *g*

The recommended procedure when encountering mysteries in SM, or TB or
FF, is trying Safe-Mode. If not successful, the next step is creating a
fresh profile for testing SM.

Hartmut

Re: [gentoo-user] Seamonkey and path to internet

[Fast Turtle]

On Mon, 20 May 2013 21:36:07 -0500
Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:

> Adam Carter wrote:
> >
> >     What is the path that Seamonkey takes to get to the internet?
> >
> >
> > The path is determined by the proxy settings. If there's no proxy
> > configured its just straight out. Sounds like a bug to me.
> 
> Under proxies, I have direct connection checked.  I forgot to mention
> that even tho I checked it to make sure how it was set up.  I hope this
> is something besides a bug since it affects both versions in the tree.  :-?
> 
> Dale
> 
> :-)  :-) 
> 
> -- 
> I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
> 
if it's affecting both versions, then it's a bug. Very rarely will you see both showing the same problem and that does indicate something is badly screwed up somewhere. 

Re: [gentoo-user] Seamonkey and path to internet

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Tue, 21 May 2013 07:45:28 -0700, Fast Turtle wrote:

> > Under proxies, I have direct connection checked.  I forgot to mention
> > that even tho I checked it to make sure how it was set up.  I hope
> > this is something besides a bug since it affects both versions in the
> > tree.  :-?

> if it's affecting both versions, then it's a bug. Very rarely will you
> see both showing the same problem and that does indicate something is
> badly screwed up somewhere. 

Yes, but it may not be a bug, Sale could have a broken configuration.
Dale, have you tried with a new user or vanilla config?


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Why do they call it a TV set when you only get one?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Seamonkey and path to internet

[Dale]

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Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Tue, 21 May 2013 07:45:28 -0700, Fast Turtle wrote:
>
>>> Under proxies, I have direct connection checked.  I forgot to mention
>>> that even tho I checked it to make sure how it was set up.  I hope
>>> this is something besides a bug since it affects both versions in the
>>> tree.  :-?
>
>> if it's affecting both versions, then it's a bug. Very rarely will you
>> see both showing the same problem and that does indicate something is
>> badly screwed up somewhere.
>
> Yes, but it may not be a bug, Sale could have a broken configuration.
> Dale, have you tried with a new user or vanilla config?
>
>


I thought about renaming my config to *.old and trying that.  Thing is,
I have YEARS worth of emails on here that I don't want to lose or anything.

I will say this, it worked fine with the old version UNTIL I did the
upgrade.  I sort of think it is something under Seamonkey that got
updated but don't know what that is.  Maybe some network package or
something like that.

I may experiment with that later on tho.  I'll make a nice and shiney
new set of backups first tho.

Dale

:-)  :-)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Seamonkey and path to internet

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Tue, 21 May 2013 12:09:41 -0500, Dale wrote:

> I thought about renaming my config to *.old and trying that.  Thing is,
> I have YEARS worth of emails on here that I don't want to lose or
> anything.

Create another user and see how it works for them. That way your config
stays untouched.

> I will say this, it worked fine with the old version UNTIL I did the
> upgrade.  I sort of think it is something under Seamonkey that got
> updated but don't know what that is.  Maybe some network package or
> something like that.g 

That sounds reasonable, time to start poring over the output of
{q,gen}lop -l


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can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."

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Re: [gentoo-user] Seamonkey and path to internet

[Dale]

Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Tue, 21 May 2013 12:09:41 -0500, Dale wrote:
>
>> I thought about renaming my config to *.old and trying that.  Thing is,
>> I have YEARS worth of emails on here that I don't want to lose or
>> anything.
> Create another user and see how it works for them. That way your config
> stays untouched.

I have a test user for KDE.  May give that a try.  I think I can login
as it and let it sit while I use my primary user too.  I'm on my puter
to much to stay logged off for long.  Plus we got storms headed this way
and they have had major tornadoes out of it so I ain't staying away from
the radar long for sure now. 

>
>> I will say this, it worked fine with the old version UNTIL I did the
>> upgrade.  I sort of think it is something under Seamonkey that got
>> updated but don't know what that is.  Maybe some network package or
>> something like that.g 
> That sounds reasonable, time to start poring over the output of
> {q,gen}lop -l
>
>

I wish I had done that BEFORE I did the emerge -e world.  I also wish I
had made a note of the date it first did it too.  Dang that hindsight. 
;-) 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

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Re: [gentoo-user] Seamonkey and path to internet

[Michael Orlitzky]

On 05/20/2013 07:08 PM, Dale wrote:
> Howdy,
> 
> I noticed over the past few weeks a interesting issue.  When I leave
> Seamonkey open for several hours, it looses its connection to the
> internet.  If I open Firefox, it works fine.  I can ping in a Konsole
> too.  In Seamonkey tho, not even a simple page like google will work. 
> If I close Seamonkey and then restart it, it works fine.  I don't have
> to log out of KDE or anything either.  Just restart Seamonkey and it
> works for a few more hours. Also, it affects both browser and email. 
> 

Try visiting an IP address instead of a hostname. There's an internal
DNS cache; if that's what's stopped working you can turn it off with
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Network.dnsCacheExpiration in about:config.
And hopefully that avoids the lookup entirely.

Re: [gentoo-user] Seamonkey and path to internet

[Dale]

Michael Orlitzky wrote:
> On 05/20/2013 07:08 PM, Dale wrote:
>> Howdy,
>>
>> I noticed over the past few weeks a interesting issue.  When I leave
>> Seamonkey open for several hours, it looses its connection to the
>> internet.  If I open Firefox, it works fine.  I can ping in a Konsole
>> too.  In Seamonkey tho, not even a simple page like google will work. 
>> If I close Seamonkey and then restart it, it works fine.  I don't have
>> to log out of KDE or anything either.  Just restart Seamonkey and it
>> works for a few more hours. Also, it affects both browser and email. 
>>
> Try visiting an IP address instead of a hostname. There's an internal
> DNS cache; if that's what's stopped working you can turn it off with
> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Network.dnsCacheExpiration in about:config.
> And hopefully that avoids the lookup entirely.
>
>
>

Dang, that thing was set to like forever.  Default according to your
link was supposed to be like 60 or something.  Mine was set to over
250,000.  O_O 

Maybe that will fix this thing.  I seem to recall it would have "looking
up ****" at the bottom.  The **** is whatever website I was trying to
get to. 

I'm not sure this is it but thanks much!!  Should know pretty soon. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

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Re: [gentoo-user] Seamonkey and path to internet

[James Cloos]

>>>>> "D" == Dale  <rdalek1967@gmail.com> writes:

D> I thought about renaming my config to *.old and trying that.  Thing is,
D> I have YEARS worth of emails on here that I don't want to lose or anything.

Start it with:

    seamonkey -no-remote -ProfileManager

create a new profile and then start that profile.

Does it still stop working?

You might need to run:

    seamonkey -P default

once after the experiment to ensure that starting seamonkey without args
defaults to the original profile again.

-JimC
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Re: [gentoo-user] Seamonkey and path to internet

[Alan McKinnon]

On 21/05/2013 23:36, Dale wrote:
> Michael Orlitzky wrote:
>> On 05/20/2013 07:08 PM, Dale wrote:
>>> Howdy,
>>>
>>> I noticed over the past few weeks a interesting issue.  When I leave
>>> Seamonkey open for several hours, it looses its connection to the
>>> internet.  If I open Firefox, it works fine.  I can ping in a Konsole
>>> too.  In Seamonkey tho, not even a simple page like google will work. 
>>> If I close Seamonkey and then restart it, it works fine.  I don't have
>>> to log out of KDE or anything either.  Just restart Seamonkey and it
>>> works for a few more hours. Also, it affects both browser and email. 
>>>
>> Try visiting an IP address instead of a hostname. There's an internal
>> DNS cache; if that's what's stopped working you can turn it off with
>> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Network.dnsCacheExpiration in about:config.
>> And hopefully that avoids the lookup entirely.
>>
>>
>>
> 
> Dang, that thing was set to like forever.  Default according to your
> link was supposed to be like 60 or something.  Mine was set to over
> 250,000.  O_O 
> 
> Maybe that will fix this thing.  I seem to recall it would have "looking
> up ****" at the bottom.  The **** is whatever website I was trying to
> get to. 
> 
> I'm not sure this is it but thanks much!!  Should know pretty soon. 

Hmmm. Mine is set the same - 30 days.

I wonder how that could have happened when Mozilla's wiki recommends 60
seconds as default


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Re: [gentoo-user] Seamonkey and path to internet

[Raffaele BELARDI]

On 05/22/2013 09:51 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 21/05/2013 23:36, Dale wrote:
>> Michael Orlitzky wrote:
>>> On 05/20/2013 07:08 PM, Dale wrote:
>>>> Howdy,
>>>>
>>>> I noticed over the past few weeks a interesting issue.  When I leave
>>>> Seamonkey open for several hours, it looses its connection to the
>>>> internet.  If I open Firefox, it works fine.  I can ping in a Konsole
>>>> too.  In Seamonkey tho, not even a simple page like google will work. 
>>>> If I close Seamonkey and then restart it, it works fine.  I don't have
>>>> to log out of KDE or anything either.  Just restart Seamonkey and it
>>>> works for a few more hours. Also, it affects both browser and email. 
>>>>
>>> Try visiting an IP address instead of a hostname. There's an internal
>>> DNS cache; if that's what's stopped working you can turn it off with
>>> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Network.dnsCacheExpiration in about:config.
>>> And hopefully that avoids the lookup entirely.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Dang, that thing was set to like forever.  Default according to your
>> link was supposed to be like 60 or something.  Mine was set to over
>> 250,000.  O_O 
>>
> 
> Hmmm. Mine is set the same - 30 days.
> 
> I wonder how that could have happened when Mozilla's wiki recommends 60
> seconds as default

Looks like there's two variables with similar names:
network.dnsCacheExpiration (60)
Network.dnsCacheExpirationGracePeriod (2592000)

I only have the latter and the default seems fine according to:
http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2680535
(5th post and down, on second page)

raf

Re: [gentoo-user] Seamonkey and path to internet

[Dale]

Dale wrote:
> Michael Orlitzky wrote:
>> On 05/20/2013 07:08 PM, Dale wrote:
>>> Howdy,
>>>
>>> I noticed over the past few weeks a interesting issue.  When I leave
>>> Seamonkey open for several hours, it looses its connection to the
>>> internet.  If I open Firefox, it works fine.  I can ping in a Konsole
>>> too.  In Seamonkey tho, not even a simple page like google will work. 
>>> If I close Seamonkey and then restart it, it works fine.  I don't have
>>> to log out of KDE or anything either.  Just restart Seamonkey and it
>>> works for a few more hours. Also, it affects both browser and email. 
>>>
>> Try visiting an IP address instead of a hostname. There's an internal
>> DNS cache; if that's what's stopped working you can turn it off with
>> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Network.dnsCacheExpiration in about:config.
>> And hopefully that avoids the lookup entirely.
>>
>>
>>
> Dang, that thing was set to like forever.  Default according to your
> link was supposed to be like 60 or something.  Mine was set to over
> 250,000.  O_O 
>
> Maybe that will fix this thing.  I seem to recall it would have "looking
> up ****" at the bottom.  The **** is whatever website I was trying to
> get to. 
>
> I'm not sure this is it but thanks much!!  Should know pretty soon. 
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-) 
>


Well, so far so good.  It sat here all night and most of yesterday and
it still works.  So, this setting fixed something. 

Thanks much.  Looks like I can stop closing and restarting now.  I was
beginning to think Linux was turning into windoze.  lol 

Dale

:-)  :-)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Seamonkey and path to internet [SOLVED]

[Dale]

Dale wrote:
> Well, so far so good. It sat here all night and most of yesterday and
> it still works. So, this setting fixed something. Thanks much. Looks
> like I can stop closing and restarting now. I was beginning to think
> Linux was turning into windoze. lol Dale :-) :-) 

Hopefully last update.  Still working fine.  Been running ever since
last post. 

Thanks much.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

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