From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E30EE1381F3 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 15:28:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1254BE095F; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 15:28:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wi0-f176.google.com (mail-wi0-f176.google.com [209.85.212.176]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A7481E0940 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 15:28:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wi0-f176.google.com with SMTP id hj19so1519645wib.3 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 08:28:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=PSWC8FZTpikcrORHDRfkDS0aqInmChE1IY4IJUWb0Gk=; b=tv4URJDuj0M5sXqPQbJIEg1W8oruEESVaI+lp9q9grFBzzmtLNT6siRNtMA0fJO7il 8suZjmN2aBd7X5J/L5oK3xasH01Lvg8UzrwrD2U0GLDwbCYFY5+Qck/z66MgwJd1pyzM /YA4pGT3bu1gXKXhcc+ZCqLxmStW6Qlf8/sy0kbM6j/N87bKPcWli3XVRePngTo5s+Q3 bkfJh4apYKOgpKSKfwG4V9HV22vrx6DWSFq/gsEdDhwHyavijbt8FVk+yokK03EPsxFk 5YiprJo+clo2mM+h+moboyuWowVE3EevuuthSFoNGCFsqEyJjpHIxrdBDONNdRYWyOyC 7UOw== X-Received: by 10.194.158.4 with SMTP id wq4mr78210306wjb.46.1367076508384; Sat, 27 Apr 2013 08:28:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.20.0.41] (196-215-203-210.dynamic.isadsl.co.za. [196.215.203.210]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id o5sm10719052wix.3.2013.04.27.08.28.25 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 27 Apr 2013 08:28:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <517BEE62.5000601@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 17:27:30 +0200 From: Alan McKinnon User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130413 Thunderbird/17.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re[2]: [gentoo-user] Server system date synchronizaion References: <517AE68A.6010701@gmail.com> <1367009197.198336309@f266.mail.ru> <517AE99B.8050306@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archives-Salt: c3a084d4-f8d7-456f-a0e4-2d63ee9c2cb0 X-Archives-Hash: 60e4009381399ad892707caf2ca49477 On 27/04/2013 00:11, Paul Hartman wrote: > On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: >> On 26/04/2013 22:46, the guard wrote: >>> Пятница, 26 апреля 2013, 22:41 +02:00 от Alan McKinnon : >>>> Do none of us here ever deal with Windows? :-) >>>> >>>> I notice that no-one has yet mentioned that Windows does not do ntp, as >>>> Windows does not do time right, doesn't do timezones right and I >>>> strongly suspect can't even do dates right (this latter still unproven) >>>> >>>> Windows time servers need some magic Microsoft thing called ENTP which >>>> is in no way related to the ntp we all know and love >>>> >>> It refuses to adjust time if you have a wrong date. timezone is set in your system >>> >> >> >> I was thinking more along the lines of how Windows has no concept of UTC >> set in the hw clock and a local timezone, and how timezones are odd >> things like Harare/Pretoria instead of the official names like >> SAST GMT+2 as set by the scientific timekeeping community. >> >> How about daylight savings? Can Windows deal with that? Other than by >> just shoving the clock back and forward by an hour on the right days? > > I've used windows for the past 25,000+ work hours at my job (I wish > that were an exaggeration) in an all-Microsoft corporate environment. > I dare not declare myself an expert in anything Windows so as not to > encourage more of it. :) [snip much detail about Windows tying itself in knots to do something quite simple] > Now we return to our regularly-scheduled programming... In comparison I have it easy :-) The last time there was a leap-second all I had to do was check our time servers tracked upstream wrt leap-*, and checked that my team's machines did the same. ClusterSSH, bash, grep, sed and awk made this an exercise in on-liner skills :-) I then told the reat of the company using Unix to do the same, and the whole thing was a non-event. Now for the Windows fellows and the idiot running the Domain Controllers in OurAmazingParentCompanyWhoThinkTheyAreCool(tm). Apparently they had a torrid time of it, especially as they ignored all heads-up communications from us. I don't know how they managed to fix all the Windows workstations as we were quite happy to return that favour. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon@gmail.com