On 04/18/2013 05:46 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> Am 18.04.2013 23:10, schrieb Michael Mol:

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>> Do you say that because you've tested the various orders and know
>> that one application will not conflict with another if started
>> before that, or do you say that because you've never noticed a
>> problem, despite not knowing the order you've started things?
> 
> because I am using linux since Suse 6.2. And in that time I have 
> listened to a lot of music, watched a lot of movies and did a lot of 
> things in parallel. Just yesterday I watched a music video on
> youtube, while hunting for something sounding almost identical on my
> harddisk - using vlc. So firefox&flash and vlc were working fine.

I know you're smarter than this. You actively ignored my explicit
description of a testable sequence of steps. Which Hartmut specifically
tried, and in doing so that the problem I encountered is not currently
present.

By ignoring the sequence of steps, you're left with, well, nothing
testable or verifiable.

> 
>> 
>>> I don't use wine. For a lot of good reasons.
>>> 
>> Name one.
>> 
> fat, slow and buggy. Do you need more?

Not from you, I suspect. At this point, I'm confident you have
absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

By "fat", I suppose you're referring to the number of additional
binaries that land on your system. If you're going to implement the
entire API of an operating system, even as a wrapper around native
libraries, you're going to have a lot of code. That's just the way it is.

As for "slow"...it's been documented from time to time that some
applications run *faster* via WINE than on Windows. On one occasion,
this was the result of the Linux drivers being faster than the Windows ones.

As for "buggy"...Sure, not all of the APIs are implemented. Not all of
them need to be. Bugfixes and such are prioritized by interest in the
applications which need the buggy APIs, which is why many applications
work fine. Heck, I have an application installed which *depends* on
WINE, and this is part of that application's "Linux" version. I use it
every day as part of my job, and so I can do my job from this laptop
running Gentoo instead of a machine running Windows.

> If I really had an application that I must use and is windows only -
> I would install windows. That is a lot quicker and less painful than
> that wine crapfest shitting all over the place.

...The worst I've had has been WINE apps getting registered to handle
some files. Unless you're referring to the idea that WINE was what was
breaking my sound (itself clearly erroneous if you had read through the
description of either my or Hartmut's steps), I really don't know what
you're talking about, and I fear I'm just feeding a troll.