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([2001:5c0:1000:a::165]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s8sm14504764igs.0.2013.04.18.14.10.44 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 18 Apr 2013 14:10:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51706150.3070607@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 17:10:40 -0400 From: Michael Mol User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130222 Thunderbird/17.0.2 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio References: <20130418193224.GA3234@acm.acm> <51704E1E.7010409@gmail.com> <51705156.2070503@googlemail.com> <517053E9.70101@gmail.com> <51705B06.4000508@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <51705B06.4000508@googlemail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="----enig2TFGWHHURTWINIUBDHRVI" X-Archives-Salt: 28c311f3-3da2-4a16-825c-5b2744be7f84 X-Archives-Hash: b488943c7e04ec04257e2d8310e08b4a This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) ------enig2TFGWHHURTWINIUBDHRVI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 04/18/2013 04:43 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > Am 18.04.2013 22:13, schrieb Michael Mol: >> On 04/18/2013 04:02 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: >>> Am 18.04.2013 21:48, schrieb Michael Mol: [snip] >>>> My particular discovery was that if I launched WoW under WINE, and t= hen >>>> launched a browser, audio in WoW worked fine. If I launched the brow= ser >>>> first (which resulted in a flash applet being loaded in GMail for th= e >>>> purpose of audio notifications for google talk), Flash grabbed the A= LSA >>>> device and no WINE application could get at it. Routing both through= >>>> PulseAudio solved the problem. >>> /I can have as many flash instances as I want and still listen to stu= ff >>> being played in vlc. Without pulseaudio crap. >>> >>> Maybe wine just sucks?/ >>> >> Easy on the invective. Did you pay attention to the specific sequence = of >> events I described? Or are you simply reporting that Flash works fine = as >> an ALSA client along other concurrently reporting tasks, with no >> reference to the explicit order of the launch of things? >> >> Incidentally, WoW+WINE worked absolutely fine with other ALSA clients.= >> It was only when Flash got added to the mix--and was launched >> first--that I had a problem. Further, if Flash was launched before PA >> (and ALSA apps weren't configured to route through PA's alsa wrapper),= >> PA itself could not latch on to the sound card. >> >> Also, it's possible Adobe has since fixed the bug. This was a couple >> years ago, even before they added direct PulseAudio support to flash. >=20 > the order is completely irrelavant. I start flash, xine, amarok, vlc, > alsaplayer, whatever - and it just works. Without pulseaudio, jackd, > esd, artsd etc pp. Do you say that because you've tested the various orders and know that one application will not conflict with another if started before that, or do you say that because you've never noticed a problem, despite not knowing the order you've started things? >=20 > I don't use wine. For a lot of good reasons. >=20 Name one. ------enig2TFGWHHURTWINIUBDHRVI Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJRcGFTAAoJED5TcEBdxYwQiGcIALI0ghAjDfCbocjRwCKtG//h cjAp6ByCqITfKoZaRwRmOJcdVn7NQ9PllTUWO2O1Ixyb3EAMI6JLhA6h2i6eyd23 V2PdsyfTkwvGbf3Be/DIKMYdX6gWTbPGcQizYE/c3t9ToadYzkGwkTI9eRNQ7HtH 2o8uLHji9ZUd4h8eZnRRe1jzPhyFqWijqbP+z5gqpBn5ax1BcY7EYp70RUKsafe+ 75CJEX8EFUYGy7AiGGqiWXJrrSn7VvS6R7/il6LeOO8YdqTV3FTzJRu0AR+HPv6d vMmX0LzbmVV+GURZl3ePW/oAMJYGLmg7sQyfz12WAcyckahYj3+H1RP5kdOFZ/g= =eMLx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------enig2TFGWHHURTWINIUBDHRVI--