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([2001:5c0:1000:a::2f]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id wn10sm26927308igb.2.2013.04.18.13.13.33 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 18 Apr 2013 13:13:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <517053E9.70101@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 16:13:29 -0400 From: Michael Mol User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130222 Thunderbird/17.0.2 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio References: <20130418193224.GA3234@acm.acm> <51704E1E.7010409@gmail.com> <51705156.2070503@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <51705156.2070503@googlemail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="----enig2AXQKCBKWRTPHDLSLNHAQ" X-Archives-Salt: 801081d5-b66e-4de5-ac13-b9bd00738d81 X-Archives-Hash: 7787d7cca2b424776f95d82998422a71 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) ------enig2AXQKCBKWRTPHDLSLNHAQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 04/18/2013 04:02 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > Am 18.04.2013 21:48, schrieb Michael Mol: >> On 04/18/2013 03:32 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: >> >> [snip] >> >>> So, I grasped the nettle, put in a negative pulseaudio use flag, unme= rged >>> pa and alsa-plugins, then rebuilt the 14 packages which needed it. >>> >>> Surprisingly, everything still works. I now get those last seconds f= rom >>> my news streams. :-) >>> >>> So, yes, I can recomment the removal of pulseaudio, unless anybody's = got >>> some particular need for it. >> IME, there is one application that all but forces the use of PulseAudi= o: >> Flash. Once Flash grabs onto an ALSA device, it doesn't let go, so you= >> *must* route it through PA if you would like to reliably use it with >> anything else. >> >> My particular discovery was that if I launched WoW under WINE, and the= n >> launched a browser, audio in WoW worked fine. If I launched the browse= r >> first (which resulted in a flash applet being loaded in GMail for the >> purpose of audio notifications for google talk), Flash grabbed the ALS= A >> device and no WINE application could get at it. Routing both through >> PulseAudio solved the problem. >=20 > /I can have as many flash instances as I want and still listen to stuff= > being played in vlc. Without pulseaudio crap. >=20 > Maybe wine just sucks?/ >=20 Easy on the invective. Did you pay attention to the specific sequence of events I described? Or are you simply reporting that Flash works fine as an ALSA client along other concurrently reporting tasks, with no reference to the explicit order of the launch of things? Incidentally, WoW+WINE worked absolutely fine with other ALSA clients. It was only when Flash got added to the mix--and was launched first--that I had a problem. Further, if Flash was launched before PA (and ALSA apps weren't configured to route through PA's alsa wrapper), PA itself could not latch on to the sound card. Also, it's possible Adobe has since fixed the bug. 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