From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 262511389E2 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 10:08:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DAB42E08C2; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 10:08:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.no-carrier.info (kraftzwerg.no-carrier.info [87.98.242.129]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B9263E08AA for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 10:08:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.no-carrier.info (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4789939A9898 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 11:07:36 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at no-carrier.info X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.038 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.038 tagged_above=-9999 required=5 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1, BAYES_00=-1.9, CRM114_CHECK=-0.038, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1] autolearn=no X-CRM114-Status: UNSURE ( 0.76 ) X-CRM114-CacheID: sfid- Received: from mail.no-carrier.info ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (??mail.no-carrier.info [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id Dxp4klS4grdh for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 11:07:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail.no-carrier.info (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.no-carrier.info (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE6EE39A9897 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 11:07:25 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=marc-stuermer.de; s=tsunami; t=1417342045; bh=P/jaYtMrL7noYz8xl06jTJ7EuZKVjkOovti77R83LnE=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=Rw7V2xHNWyeUz18EDj5F95U+qhZKTX5tj3dcxsxXr83bBGKxmIbaGuSEbKTIYnU1w sjOa44sYR5NDvJF+LZFaWQq1DuAL0T1AxeXSqhOj4cBGAd7YMBLfB+rQYpUYQbCPAU ctCKaNL3X1nemMYSS8CJ+JTtsKyx+8Rr2mR1kHtc= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 11:07:25 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?Q?Marc_St=C3=BCrmer?= To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Debian forked, because of systemd brouhaha In-Reply-To: <547A7A89.1000606@iinet.net.au> References: <547A572B.2000601@marc-stuermer.de> <547A7A89.1000606@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: <513c7cea44e305cbbf943fb0ad40ebff@marc-stuermer.de> X-Sender: mail@marc-stuermer.de User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.0.3 X-Archives-Salt: 148e5153-f0d3-4310-8103-e9ec9e47e019 X-Archives-Hash: 6140a5bc01951b5c2adaf983f8e7b491 Am , schrieb Bill Kenworthy: > I read "Veteran Unix Admins collective" as a category that old style > admin types fall into - the background being that systemd is > essentially > the old guard, do things based on experience and good practice vs the > new guard whose use case is throw away vm's that are not expected to > hang around, we don't care" amateurs. I am a native English speaker, > maybe that's why you missed it? Yes, it is a category and no, I didn't miss that point. The point though is that the way this fork was being announced is quite simple the worst way to do it. The announcement was not signed by any name and just made by someone named "Majordomo Debianfork." Not that's why I do call a bad way to start such a project and building trust. Then they are already asking for donations. Yes, of course such a project has the need for donations, true. But would you spend someone money where you've got no clue whom you are giving it? I won't. So until they are going to publish a list of names about who's behind this project I for myself am just going to think about it as a more or less nice reminder to the Debian community about that a nother fork with the implicit goal to eliminate Systemd would quite quickly gain much momentum and speed. The goal of such a prank? To make the people think about it and change their opinion that this would not happen. Well, we are for sure going to see sooner or later, what's the real deal about Devuan.