From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69424198005 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 08:24:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D7FFFE05FE; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 08:24:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ea0-f177.google.com (mail-ea0-f177.google.com [209.85.215.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6B4F0E05E8 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 08:24:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ea0-f177.google.com with SMTP id r16so1002534ead.36 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 01:24:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=O/dzAeeuI3QS8T7WVBzi6xxt2wX+2yX56pJR29berPE=; b=ZSIOX2aKtyzEj/n9isQRrqVzqVda/f/szTp1XZG5hLP7sxahQ/tR7H2lJS+9gReeDW O8SWp4tHaEswsInWtINKSkhzPWkMlsSSOMIj6OO0UJJV+0b8LjAP/VEx/913aJ0SmsV2 nX+09RFfdmAY7sZnVbwFFc4PaaDxeasj82sSK/W4XAVl9RtLm1kWkpIZYeEAkdAryAZj 70wFHBhKpgv4TtPzuKwLwuKI8UzPDTAu/3O5BmLLIBPaBalZGWm4D1+z5MfOFufcklj0 8/Nr7qL1DKcVPVDld7LjYsdKYowP8xSBqslV9Y13PY1g430STq5CkMGgry5+LlAT7S9/ VlXg== X-Received: by 10.14.211.65 with SMTP id v41mr33804033eeo.33.1362990282822; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 01:24:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.1.21.15] (dustpuppy.is.co.za. [196.14.169.11]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f47sm22093398eep.13.2013.03.11.01.24.40 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 11 Mar 2013 01:24:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <513D944F.4090401@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 10:22:39 +0200 From: Alan McKinnon User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130304 Thunderbird/17.0.3 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [gentoo-user] /etc/hosts include file? References: <5139EA4D.1000606@gmail.com> <5139ED7C.3030708@gmail.com> <263693.5416.bm@smtp197.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <513A423D.3080900@gmail.com> <293639.72773.bm@smtp143.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <20130309001343.GB25016@waltdnes.org> <513A8529.7000708@gmail.com> <20130310014256.GA27509@waltdnes.org> <513C17D2.7080008@gmail.com> <513CF60D.7060708@gmail.com> <20130311040016.GA30399@waltdnes.org> In-Reply-To: <20130311040016.GA30399@waltdnes.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 08d1276c-81bf-4f2d-8a6c-77e06e53130b X-Archives-Hash: 795bfd369b0e59cb8bee619c63778abc On 11/03/2013 06:00, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 05:07:25PM -0400, Michael Mol wrote > >> NAT behind a home router is bad, too. For IPv4, it's only necessary >> because there aren't enough IPv4 addresses to let everyone have a unique >> one. > > The best real reason for moving to IPV6 is address space (or lack > thereof, in the case of IPV4). The people who are truly interested in > speeding up IPV6 adoption should do their best to shut up the internet > hippies who constantly rant and rave about how "NAT is evil". Don't let > the cause get distracted by that unrelated issue. Focus on the core > issue. > You are being over-simplistic. Lack of IPv4 address space *caused* NAT to happen, the two are inextricably intertwined. Even worse, people now have NAT conflated with all sorts of other things. Like for example NAT and security. NAT is the context of an IPv6 discussion is *very* relevant, it's one of the points you have to raise to illustrate what bits inside people's heads needs to be identified and changed. Until you change the content of people's heads, IPv6 is just not going to happen. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon@gmail.com