From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD92D138A34 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 19:51:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 66075E05B4; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 19:51:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wi0-f177.google.com (mail-wi0-f177.google.com [209.85.212.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E9FCAE050C for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 19:51:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wi0-f177.google.com with SMTP id hm14so342178wib.4 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 11:51:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=lhEDo4G+wv2Q2XJN71Q0qwFFYm1JJjSOO3fhCH8QUZE=; b=I3LU4Sy0EJJ+9JQ9tAdkunT0tvp/wP0t8xUZMLpVAwjfaixnKPvbwmR4KFrIlAidFi +S6fNYRiLBtvXSAIMkcq4IFGjuGNq2ccm+hc36/XykY/qGTfCnx2RF8J0oCFmOtPHBtj caC0PMPFPFoPVXM0A0qhVMHlL8SFfSeQ11JP8S3btzsXmguu5BMbQcZQHPdSQi6sqrFG hFEpraeb5gpTby2K08iGE3AY50CR1atSlzzZn5bblrz2vfmOaBGiwWHkcAIYi5rTnR5f ZeSkXrl+v6spSCTqSGHw+kYwdYICKUV3aND7jLFXdOV1utWjiGdWFYEl30qfeyRRErWP 2cNA== X-Received: by 10.194.122.98 with SMTP id lr2mr48641718wjb.7.1360871469583; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 11:51:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.20.0.41] (196-215-205-209.dynamic.isadsl.co.za. [196.215.205.209]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n2sm1260854wiy.6.2013.02.14.11.51.06 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 14 Feb 2013 11:51:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <511D3FDB.1040807@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 21:49:47 +0200 From: Alan McKinnon User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130114 Thunderbird/17.0.2 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Delayed update semantics References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: ab687b0f-aa43-4afd-99dc-9d50a0c05c9d X-Archives-Hash: 5b4cc047c66f2ac1d84e5ceeca6396f2 On 14/02/2013 21:26, James wrote: > Hello, > > Context: Stable Systems with a few newer packages > (unmasked) in portage. > > Some of the recent discussion threads bounce around the issue > of solutions being completed a few days after new packages are release. > Hey, it's Gentoo, we're all keenly aware of this. No problem. > But, from time to time, I get really distracted from Gentoo > with other engineering, social and financial issues, as most on this > list (humanoids refer to this as "having a life") ymmv. > > > So, being the lazy, aging admin/hack/engineer that I am, > every time I try another distro, it just does not work for > my needs, so like it or not, I'm stuck with Gentoo..... > (dont get me wrong, I love Gentoo, just sometimes > I neglect that (gentoo admin) part of my life for sporadic periods). > > > So, my latest ideas is to "sync up" and then wait one week > before acutally installing those new packages. This would > allow the fodder that the good folks on this list catch, > bitch about (um, I mean file bug reports) and fix, to > occur first; then I can complete the package update > cautiously avoiding an "emerge sync". This is the one that will give you what you want > But when you "emerge sync" if to do the updates immediately, they'll be > the latest packages. So don't do that > If I do a "emerge sync" and wait > 7 days to begin updating the packages, I'll be delayed > by one week, and have a one week of buffered fixes for added > problem filtering. But those fixes might not be available > without a fresh "emerge sync"? If you see everyone else whinging about X and you want X, then sync and emerge right now. You will potentially get a bunch of current stuff that breaks stuff, and you will have to deal with that on the rare occassion it happens > When time permits I CAN CHOOSE to "emerge sync" and then immediately > update the packages and parse through the issues mostly. Call > this the stable-stable approach to gentoo updates. > > Does anyone see any problems or a better way to stay one-week-delayed ? no, there is no better way. gentoo does not support partial syncs so you can't be picky > > I'm increasingly managing more Gentoo systems, particularly embedded > and server based gentoo systems and that is the source that compounds these > time-sink-issues for me. Maybe some external-integrated management approach > such as CFengine is my answer? > > Your comments and thoughts are most welcome. > > > James > > -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon@gmail.com